Comments on: Blogs will be at the centre of the fight against election spin http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/ Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:11:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: tory totty online http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-14059 tory totty online Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:00:28 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-14059 Ab fab evening and a really well organised event! ;-) Ab fab evening and a really well organised event! ;-)

]]> By: Sunder Katwala http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-13909 Sunder Katwala Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:18:03 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-13909 On "negative campaigning", the Economist has a very powerful critique that the "broken society' argument which is the central Tory claim of the last four years is "simply wrong". Do you think their analysis is inaccurate? (And will the Conservatives now cease using the dodgy rising violent crime stats, which Iain Duncan Smith to his credit has said can't be used). Many independent voices have seen the right-wing blogosphere as rather more homogenous than that on the left. The centre-of-gravity is Tory right and libertarian rather than "on message" in leadership supportive terms. (An example is that all of the top 10 Tory blogs in the Total Politics list don't believe that man-made global warming is happening, which shows a decided groupthink tendency, and 9 of the 10 want to get out of the EU). It would be great to have some modernising, liberal or progressive Tory voices to engage with: we'll keep looking hard and engage seriously with any we do find! [Captcha spam checker: "meanness to" ... bit negative that!] On “negative campaigning”, the Economist has a very powerful critique that the “broken society’ argument which is the central Tory claim of the last four years is “simply wrong”. Do you think their analysis is inaccurate? (And will the Conservatives now cease using the dodgy rising violent crime stats, which Iain Duncan Smith to his credit has said can’t be used).

Many independent voices have seen the right-wing blogosphere as rather more homogenous than that on the left. The centre-of-gravity is Tory right and libertarian rather than “on message” in leadership supportive terms. (An example is that all of the top 10 Tory blogs in the Total Politics list don’t believe that man-made global warming is happening, which shows a decided groupthink tendency, and 9 of the 10 want to get out of the EU). It would be great to have some modernising, liberal or progressive Tory voices to engage with: we’ll keep looking hard and engage seriously with any we do find!

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]]> By: Rob Marrs http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-13899 Rob Marrs Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:50:28 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-13899 I'd like you to be right but I think that the only people who care about the blogosphere are, well, the bloggers and a few thousand readers (admittedly, often influential people). The majority of the public couldn't care less. Sadly, as it happens, in my opinion as some of the best, most analytical and insightful writers are on the blogosphere. I hope I'm wrong - keep up the good work. RCM http://leftbackinthechangingroom.blogspot.com I’d like you to be right but I think that the only people who care about the blogosphere are, well, the bloggers and a few thousand readers (admittedly, often influential people).

The majority of the public couldn’t care less. Sadly, as it happens, in my opinion as some of the best, most analytical and insightful writers are on the blogosphere.

I hope I’m wrong – keep up the good work.

RCM

http://leftbackinthechangingroom.blogspot.com

]]> By: Millian http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-13897 Millian Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:12:52 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-13897 Of course Labour has to take a partly negative strategy. "Independent" smear bloggers like Guido never target the Tories unless they have to. Of course Labour has to take a partly negative strategy. “Independent” smear bloggers like Guido never target the Tories unless they have to.

]]> By: Val Duncan http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-13894 Val Duncan Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:12:57 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-13894 OK, lets be serious for a while. A great many people believe Blair and Brown are traitors for the illegal war in Iraq, mass immigration and for subverting and trashing our ancient laws to impose EU (foreign) laws... BEFORE the Lisbon Treaty was even signed. Already the Tory Party are being seen as the party with NO policies, so if you wish to enter Westminster with any decent majority it is past time you got the finger out and tackled the above problems. Tinkering round the edges will not wash because there is too much bad feeling among the indigenous people of this country. Either you can tackle the problems or let them fester... and fester they will. You are intelligent politicians... start behaving like it. OK, lets be serious for a while.
A great many people believe Blair and Brown are traitors for the illegal war in Iraq, mass immigration and for subverting and trashing our ancient laws to impose EU (foreign) laws… BEFORE the Lisbon Treaty was even signed.
Already the Tory Party are being seen as the party with NO policies, so if you wish to enter Westminster with any decent majority it is past time you got the finger out and tackled the above problems. Tinkering round the edges will not wash because there is too much bad feeling among the indigenous people of this country.
Either you can tackle the problems or let them fester… and fester they will.
You are intelligent politicians… start behaving like it.

]]> By: Will Straw http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-13887 Will Straw Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:32:01 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-13887 Colm - As I've said for about the 14th time, we caveated the claim from "A Tory Friend" with the quote from Shane Greer. The point of the story (and headline) was the role Pickles sees for Tories bloggers in rebuttal, proved by how many responded to Sam Coates' tweet. Colm – As I’ve said for about the 14th time, we caveated the claim from “A Tory Friend” with the quote from Shane Greer.

The point of the story (and headline) was the role Pickles sees for Tories bloggers in rebuttal, proved by how many responded to Sam Coates’ tweet.

]]> By: Jeremy Thomass http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-13884 Jeremy Thomass Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:46:20 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-13884 Good piece, Sam, but can't we do more as a Party, even now to get more of our Candidates to do their own blog?. Too many still don't,and too many of them are the younger ones who you'd normally expect to be up on this sort of thing. Until more do we're not going to seem as connected to the Zeitgeist as we need to be to win convincingly Good piece, Sam, but can’t we do more as a Party, even now to get more of our Candidates to do their own blog?. Too many still don’t,and too many of them are the younger ones who you’d normally expect to be up on this sort of thing. Until more do we’re not going to seem as connected to the Zeitgeist as we need to be to win convincingly

]]> By: Dean Russell http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-13883 Dean Russell Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:43:54 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-13883 The event was a great idea and really useful to be at. Sam, you should be applauded for making it happen. As usual Eric Pickles gave a fantastic speech which helped create a great buzz on the night. It's great to know that Eric and the team not only support us bloggers and tweeters, but actually get what it's all about too. Keep up the great work. I look forward to the next one. The event was a great idea and really useful to be at. Sam, you should be applauded for making it happen.

As usual Eric Pickles gave a fantastic speech which helped create a great buzz on the night. It’s great to know that Eric and the team not only support us bloggers and tweeters, but actually get what it’s all about too. Keep up the great work.

I look forward to the next one.

]]> By: Simon Dickson http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-13880 Simon Dickson Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:11:20 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-13880 I don't think it's fair to characterise Labour's entire strategy as negative. Of course there's been all the usual rough and tumble of an election campaign, on both sides. But Labour are at least <i>trying</i> to make a positive case with their current 'Change We See' campaign. (Whether it succeeds is another matter.) Eric Pickles is probably right to say it's going to be one of the nastiest campaigns ever: not least because there are so many individuals now with unregulated publishing platforms, to get as nasty as they want - well, until m'learned friends wade in. But to echo Mark Hanson's point, I sincerely hope the deeply personal campaign against Kerry McCarthy hasn't set any kind of a tone. I don’t think it’s fair to characterise Labour’s entire strategy as negative. Of course there’s been all the usual rough and tumble of an election campaign, on both sides. But Labour are at least trying to make a positive case with their current ‘Change We See’ campaign. (Whether it succeeds is another matter.)

Eric Pickles is probably right to say it’s going to be one of the nastiest campaigns ever: not least because there are so many individuals now with unregulated publishing platforms, to get as nasty as they want – well, until m’learned friends wade in. But to echo Mark Hanson’s point, I sincerely hope the deeply personal campaign against Kerry McCarthy hasn’t set any kind of a tone.

]]> By: Heresiarch http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2010/02/05/blogs-will-be-at-the-centre-of-the-fight-against-election-spin/comment-page-1/#comment-13879 Heresiarch Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:47:08 +0000 http://blog.conservatives.com/?p=3276#comment-13879 Next time, can I come? Next time, can I come?

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