The Copenhagen summit is of historic importance

Comment by Bruce Langton on November 27, 2009 at 8:36 pm

Global warming is just another excuse to tax an already overtaxed population.

Comment by Tom Birkert on November 27, 2009 at 8:36 pm

Would Mr Cameron care to comment on the CRU e-mails leak which shows the entire IPCC is based on flawed and biased science?

Unless the Conservatives change their policies on the environment to encourage real debate about it, then they will be losing my vote which will go to UKIP.

I am frustrated by the belief in this Green religion. It’s got nothing to do with science.

Comment by Ross J Warren on November 27, 2009 at 8:36 pm

I am all in favour of reducing the amounts of oil and gas we use.

Comment by John Bakewell on November 27, 2009 at 8:37 pm

Please read Nigel Lawson’s book “An appeap to reason- A cool look at Global Warming.

Remember we only produce 2% of CO2. We are paying far too much in taxes.

Comment by kevvinn dean on November 27, 2009 at 8:38 pm

you need to remember that britain is not one nation but a united island of its many parts. dont forget the individual indentys that make it up

Comment by Roger Taylor on November 27, 2009 at 8:39 pm

Some of us feel this climate change and CO2 produced by man are necessarily the main problem. Methane is much heavier than CO2 and could have a greater effect. However that star called the sun is the real factor and man cannot change that. Copenhagen will produce a lot of gas and hot air but the earth has been around some 6bn years, man about 200,000 and we change the climate? Dream on and start talking Liebore’s debts, their pension theft from the private sector, their whopping public spending hike without any real improvement, their relentless regulations stifling trade and business and their “jobs for the boys” in quangos, health trusts et al. Talk about immigration, law and disorder and the cost of Labour’s debts and its consequences and you will have the nation listening. Talk about climate change and tinkering with the EU and they’ll switch off.

Comment by kevin turner on November 27, 2009 at 8:41 pm

Given that the whole climate change agenda is highly questionable in the eyes of the electorate and the science more so, I think the Consevetives would do weel to concentrate on things that the majority care about jobs,pensions, health and a future for our children. I seen nothing in the Conservetive manifesto about hitting industry which produces the most CO2 or about stopping industry from polluting our water supplies and the seas and in turn our food stocks. If our fish stocks are contaminated with mercury, crops constantly messed about with by scientists and our meat with all sorts of chemicals and hormones the last thing we are going to need to worry about is climate change.

Comment by John Bakewell on November 27, 2009 at 8:41 pm

We only produce 2% of the world’s CO2. Have a look at Nigel Lawson’s book “An appeal to reason – Acool look at Global Warming.”. We pay fae too much in taxes for this con. Go on like rhis and you will put Labour back in oower.

Comment by Mrs Grania Sinke on November 27, 2009 at 8:41 pm

I must say that I, along with many others, am very disturbed by the events in Norfolk.
Surely common sense dictates that a local candidate with knowledge of local issues and what concerns local people must be better than someone who has been ‘ bussed’ in from the metropolis?, regardless of gender! Further, this looks like being a really filthy election campaign, surely a good idea to avoid anyone with the slightest hint of a skeleton, however small, in the closet? Are we hoping to get a Conservative governement elected back into power or are we only interested in politically correct point scoring? Doesn’t take a genius to work out for whom the local population will vote.
Last, but not least, I gather that this lady has expressed republican views, surely this automatically rules her out as a Conservative candidate? or is there something you have forgotton to tell us about the policy of the Conservative party with regard to the Monarchy?

Comment by Edward on November 27, 2009 at 8:42 pm

Please do not support the global warming quacks in my name. They are a bunch of frauds and thieves.

Comment by Ray Warman on November 27, 2009 at 8:42 pm

When are you going to accept that Climate Change is not man made? All the unmassaged facts indicate this.
You and all the other “green brigade” go swaning off to these conferences spreading an enormous carbon footprint for what? You should not rely on my vote in the coming election unless you are honest.

Comment by C.OBrien on November 27, 2009 at 8:43 pm

CANCELL COPEHAGEN NOW ITS A POWER GRAB

Comment by Edward on November 27, 2009 at 8:44 pm

How intelligent men can really believe all this drivel beats me..By the way are we or the EU responsible for capping all the VOLCANOES scattered around the world???? Get a life people.

Comment by David Baldwin on November 27, 2009 at 8:44 pm

Great! Why don’t the incompetent local public and central , so-called, ‘civil’ servants come up with a national system for recycling? As things stand, every single local authority has a different system. It doesn’t take much ‘brain power’ to organise a national scheme where every council operates on the same basis.
Sorry, I forgot, when you’re spending money taken from other people, it doesn’t matter how it is spent as long as you meet your targets and get your bonus at the end of the year.

GET A GRIP! You didn’t even dare to confront CURRY when I asked you to stop his promotion of Europe.

Don’t worry, I don’t expect to receive a response.

Comment by Ian Stewart on November 27, 2009 at 8:45 pm

When will the Conservative Party comment on what is now called ‘ClimateGate’ ? The science behind this whole issue is looking more and more like a massive scam!

Comment by Dave Waring on November 27, 2009 at 8:46 pm

Reducing pollution is fine but if you think reducing carbon emmissions will tackle global warming or climate change you have ignored the evidence. Bruce and Tom Birkert are right.

Comment by steven winning on November 27, 2009 at 8:48 pm

How big is the entourage that is going with David and I bet the carbon footprint made on this one trip is more than I make in twenty years.? Why dont they just phone each other or use a network….is it because they enjoy the pomp and ego boost? What a waste of money, david you should be ashamed! On the subject of conservatives that should be ashamed, how about the devon farmer and the council of Bradford-on-avon who removed a legal covenant for the oppurtunity to fill their purses. It just shows that corruption exists everywhere…….I am changing my mind more and more and thinking of calling an abolishment of parliament

Comment by Douglas Spragg on November 27, 2009 at 8:49 pm

Please be careful not to over egg the pudding. There are increasing arguments against the global warming theory by some distinguished scientists. Gore with his hockey stick graph has been rubbished in many fora. The Earth has been cooling over the past ten years.

Comment by Colin Pickles on November 27, 2009 at 8:50 pm

I am also sceptic to say the least about the case for AGW and find the rush of politicians to jump on the band wagon alarming. The fact that IPCC’s model for global warming has been proved to be flawed seems to be blatantly ignored and that CO2 in the atmosphere increases as a result of periodic warming (climate changes, thats what it does). At the same time Carbon Trading Schemes appears to be yet another Ponzi operation. I would feel that a more complete debate is long overdue and would have hoped that the Conservative party would be more a leader than a follower.

Comment by Hywel Busfield on November 27, 2009 at 8:50 pm

I wish David Cameron was as committed to getting to grips with that completely undemocratic body the E.U.
All these international conferences on climate change are just an excuse for top politicians to have big jamborees at our expense and produce unbelievable amounts of carbon dioxide into the bargain.

Comment by Alan Hamilton on November 27, 2009 at 8:51 pm

The real danger of so called antroprogenic climate change is the religious like belief in that it exists and the refusal to even review the cynically manipulated data of the IPCC. The erasure of the middle warming period and the little Ice Age from the IPCC ‘hockey stick’ is a disgrace and affront to science. Consensus is politics and Climate Change consensus is more political than real science. With the predictions from the Met Office using one of the 4 IPCC super computers to model ‘Climate Change’ predicticting a Barbeque Summer! I would have thought people would actually stop and asked questions about these climate models. By the way evironmental issues like recyling, energy effiency etc make a lot of sense but you do not have a committed believer in Climate Change first. As a note I actually believe in climate change, the climate is always changing with or without our help.

Comment by Bill on November 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm

In light of the current Climategate and New Zealand Climate data scandals, what Mr Carmeron should be talking about is a robust investigation into the so called ‘science’ behind the Climate Change pack of lies.

Dave should realise now that the public mood is about to seriously change on this subject. He should lead the way, for once. He always seems to be following Labour dogma until the public mood slaps him in the face.

‘Climate Change’ is dead!

Comment by PeteFergie on November 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm

Climate change has become a religion.

It’s the worlds biggest RELIGIOUS SCAM!

Comment by tresa on November 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm

not interested in green stuff more interested in getting rid of all the rules and regs labour brought in licences fines house . sort that and you may get votes otherwise forget it

Comment by Sue Hudson on November 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm

Dear Mr Blair (sorry, Cameron)
Why don’t you listen to the actual SCIENTISTS? And not the scaremongerors? Anyone who has even a vague knowledge of science will understand that, in medieval times, the world was a lot hotter than it is now: granted, colder winters, but they had much hotter summers. This is part of the earth’s cycle: read a bit more, think, and don’t believe everyone – take a balanced view. Global warming/cooling is part of the earth’s physicality. Let us not forget that man, as we know him, on a 24-hour clock appeared about 2 minutes before midnight! The earth’s warming/cooling has been going on long before we were around.

We do NOT need to compensate Africa (Why?), nor anywhere else. All we need to do is to ensure that we do not pump too much pollution – in fact, we are past that: the 19th century produced more pollution than we are now.

Once again, think! Look after the first world, and the third world will look after itself – don’t give any more money to corrupt dictators! Acutally, if you want some votes, try looking after the first world – including the British – hard-up taxpayers!
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Comment by J Northam on November 27, 2009 at 8:55 pm

Climate change has always happened – and it’s happening now. But “global warming” is a complete scam – it’s a useful hook for politicians to hang us out to dry, and extract yet more money from us, which they can then waste on such stupidities as wind farms, or all those computer system for which the taxpayer pays through the nose, and which never work.

Comment by Worried on November 27, 2009 at 8:56 pm

Ladles & Jellyspoons the Copenhagen Summit is just another part of the scam. We have heard this week about fudged data regarding ‘Global Warming’ we have heard that the data was deliberately altered to fit what Al Gore wants us to believe, so he can implement the carbon trading market and get even richer. It is the sun that warms the planet nothing else, which is currently cooling. Look it’s up there in the sky, that great big yellow thing.

Yet the politicians are STILL banging on about Copen-Flippin-Hagen, for Gods sake cancel it, don’t go. CO2 IS NOT a POISON it is vital to all life on the planet. We exhale it plant inhale it. It is vital for photosynthesis and nitrogen fixing. Furthermore it is HEAVIER than air and if there was too much we would have all suffocated by now. It does not float up into the air, it is denser than air and thus displaces the oxygen in it.

This sort of rubbish really really annoys me because it is basically totally untrue.

Comment by Sue Hudson on November 27, 2009 at 8:56 pm

If the carbon footprint is so important – what’s wrong with a video conference? Oh, yes, a jolly in a country that alllows smoking!

Comment by Summer on November 27, 2009 at 8:56 pm

It is indeed Mr Cameron, it is the point at which the Berlin Wall of MMG will crack and crumble for all to see. You cannot change climate, climate changes naturally, and you cannot hide truth, because truth WILL EVENTUALLY OUT.

Comment by Phil Johnson on November 27, 2009 at 8:56 pm

Climate change? global disaster? righty ho then…..read this…..
November 23, 2009 – by Christopher Monckton

This is what they did — these climate “scientists” on whose unsupported word the world’s classe politique proposes to set up an unelected global government this December in Copenhagen, with vast and unprecedented powers to control all formerly free markets, to tax wealthy nations and all of their financial transactions, to regulate the economic and environmental affairs of all nations, and to confiscate and extinguish all patent and intellectual property rights.

The tiny, close-knit clique of climate scientists who invented and now drive the “global warming” fraud — for fraud is what we now know it to be — tampered with temperature data so assiduously that, on the recent admission of one of them, land temperatures since 1980 have risen twice as fast as ocean temperatures. One of the thousands of emails recently circulated by a whistleblower at the University of East Anglia, where one of the world’s four global-temperature datasets is compiled, reveals that data were altered so as to prevent a recent decline in temperature from showing in the record. In fact, there has been no statistically significant “global warming” for 15 years — and there has been rapid and significant cooling for nine years.

Worse, these arrogant fraudsters — for fraudsters are what we now know them to be — have refused, for years and years and years, to reveal their data and their computer program listings. Now we know why: As a revealing 15,000-line document from the computer division at the Climate Research Unit shows, the programs and data are a hopeless, tangled mess. In effect, the global temperature trends have simply been made up. Unfortunately, the British researchers have been acting closely in league with their U.S. counterparts who compile the other terrestrial temperature dataset — the GISS/NCDC dataset. That dataset too contains numerous biases intended artificially to inflate the natural warming of the 20th century.

Finally, these huckstering snake-oil salesmen and “global warming” profiteers — for that is what they are — have written to each other encouraging the destruction of data that had been lawfully requested under the Freedom of Information Act in the UK by scientists who wanted to check whether their global temperature record had been properly compiled. And that procurement of data destruction, as they are about to find out to their cost, is a criminal offense. They are not merely bad scientists — they are crooks. And crooks who have perpetrated their crimes at the expense of British and U.S. taxpayers.

I am angry, and so should you be.

Comment by Liam Holden. on November 27, 2009 at 8:57 pm

Climate change is piffle. There are more scientists who disagree with this false start than agree.

Now much CO2 will the planes, taking you lot to this summit,omit into the air!!! why can’t you talk,communicate via the phone,or some other medium.

Concentrate on the very many and varied issues which effect us here at home instead of chasing wild geese.

Comment by Barbara Qua on November 27, 2009 at 8:58 pm

Britain’s been sold to the Belgiums and we are supposed to be worried about climate change? We want our own elected government to govern our country

Comment by Dr Claude C Hayward on November 27, 2009 at 9:00 pm

I also am a scientist and agree with the views expressed above that climate change linked to man made CO2 is at best “not proven” and at worst is a fable of equal staus to the Emperor’s New Clothes. David could provide real leadership by not supporting the green inquisition and becoming the man that led us out of this nonsense. The climate change lobby is attractive because it appeals to a concept of original sin (man polluting the planet an bringing about his own downfall) and fear of dependence on oil (which will one day, but not soon, run ou)t. The long term answer to go with sensible energy strategy is of course fewer people. We should be aiming to get the UK population back to 50 million in the next 30 years and maybe less after that.
Conservatives should not fall for the man induced climate change confidence trick. Most oif its remedies are against conservative instincts (more taxes, state interference etc.

Comment by heckmonwyke on November 27, 2009 at 9:02 pm

Historic importants how a serious political party can still believe there is such a thing as global warming and the ordinary voters give a danm about it.By this statement dave shows he still aint got it the prime minister of once great britain

Comment by Harry Merrick on November 27, 2009 at 9:02 pm

Oh dear! Overly enthusiastic faith in badly flawed science I fear! – Climate change there certainly is. Nobody can deny that. However, why claim the planet is warming when clearly it is cooling? Why claim the fault lies with homo sapiens when it is responsible for, maybe 1.5% of change? The sun, the tides, the weather, volcanic activity, ocean currents, all contribute far more and we can do nothing about that. Conservative policy badly needs to be proactive in sorting out the rights and wrongs of this science before passing anything which is going to cost us, the tax payer, billions which we cannot afford! It seems that scientists in the pay of governments more interested in finding more and better ways of taxing us are being allowed to corrupt the truth with flawed computer models and corrupted facts.

Comment by Octavius Souris on November 27, 2009 at 9:03 pm

So ….. more important than the Lisbon Treaty? I think not. More rubbish from the party that should have walked the next election and will now struggle to crawl across the finish line!

Comment by Anne Price on November 27, 2009 at 9:04 pm

Personally i think all this fussing about global warning is a money making con. While i agree we have to be less wasteful and recycle more i think this is just anatural cycle of weather. All through history the weather has gone through different cycles and this is another. As usual the general public who are not well off are having to pay for it. While the have it alls carry on in their own greedy way. Jumping in on the latest bandwagon instead of doing something about the things that really matter such as , Cutting immigration and turfing out the illegal immigrants, hospitals, schools teaching children to be better citizens, providing more prisons. Getting rid of do gooders who have caused all the problems in society as it is. Stop letting Europe interfere in our country. Cutting down big bonuses. Giving us proper policing. Stopping local councils lining their own pockets at our expense, theyre as bad as MPs.

Comment by Steve Day on November 27, 2009 at 9:07 pm

I dont understand why Mr Cameron is suddenly saying the conservatives are environmentally active and support measure to fight climate change. His PPC for Sedgefield has openly annouced he will actively campaign against wind farms in this region and William Hague has shown himself to be a class A grade Nimby when it comes to having wind farms in his consituancy. I believe through word of mouth that most folks who are centre right in this area are moving towards the Greens and UKIP.

Comment by Arnold Whittle on November 27, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Dear David, I am in favour of any changes that can save World resources, the problem is that all of the Nations of the World have there own agenda’s on the resources that are left, some Nation that are growing and are using far more energy than established Countries such as our own, and there lies the problem we need to have unity on a Global basis when we consider energy conservation.

Comment by russ on November 27, 2009 at 9:07 pm

For gods sake wake up, global warming is a tax raising dodge, if you want to win the next election, stop basking in the polls and come up with some real policies, leave afghanistan within six months of winning, a referendum on leaving the EU within the same time scale, a ban on all immigration, all pensioners to be exempt of taxation on their savings, do something useful Dave, stop posing around and do something, otherwise thousands of loyal Tory voters will vote UKIP and you will have a hung parliament or worse still the present bunch of buffoons will prevail yet again.
Forget climate change for a start!!!

Comment by H Jones on November 27, 2009 at 9:09 pm

As a lowly ex meteorologist I have in my retirement looked at global temperatures:-
Easy enough to do. Doesn’t require much effort at all and I notice It’s been gettting colder for the past decade.
The terminology has changed too – from ‘Man made global warming’ to ‘global warming’ and now ‘climate change’ Whereas I thought that I was the only one (not in receipt of a large research grant) who thought that the Emperor was not wearing any clothes I now suspect that he is now putting on his underwear.

Comment by colin clifford on November 27, 2009 at 9:11 pm

I agree that the climate is changing, whai I don’t agree with is that we are the main cause It is time that the Greenies who drive cars, use electricity, Buy goods double wrapped and in plastic bags, got no free money or funds from from the cock and bull projects. The Climate is changing its a natural change and there is nothing on this Earth we can do about it. So Mr Cameron why waste money on a debate that will produce nothing but negative results and concentrate on the fact it is happening and we must be prepared for it. Invest the money in a plan for to save us from what is about to happen. No amount of money will stop what is about to happen.

Comment by Giles Nixon on November 27, 2009 at 9:12 pm

November 2009

I see that you too have fallen into the popular mistake in believing that climate change is caused by man. sorry – humans. Most people accept that if our politicians say so – then it must be right.

Many scientists disagree. There is no meaningful science to support the current theories of climate change. It was called global warming of course, but those who have studied it know that the figures forecast are not supported by measurement of temperature change in the oceans or in the upper atmosphere. Hence, so let’s call it climate change, quite subtle really, as there is no proof of the climate warming.

Most recognize that scientific consensus does not equal proof. If nothing else, science has always required proof. I can remember some big scare stories in the past 40 years. For example, global cooling; acid rain; the energy crisis;
the population time-bomb; holes in the ozone layer, and so on Well, we do not hear of these anymore as they were wrong and hence discarded. With these scares nothing much was done to load the population of the world with the cost of these theories.

But the Kyoto and potential Copenhagen agreements are different and huge costs will fall on our shoulders to cut our standard of living to shreds. But
Climate science is such an new field that proponents of man-made global warming cannot explain what is happening, and why in the last 10 years it has been cooler than the computer models predict. Computer projections are just that – only theories. But the world appears to think projections such as this are worth a drastic reduction in our lifestyle and prosperity.

The adoption of the Copenhagen proposals will cause us to reduce our standard of living with swinging taxes and draconian controls on our current lifestyle. To try to do this we have to adopt rules that control CO2 production such as banning all tourist aircraft flights; forcing one child per family; only one car per household and limited to 200 miles driving a year; setting your central heating to below 15 degrees, and many other restrictions on our lifestyle brought about by central government and forced on us by taxes. It will be necessary to cut your standard of living to meet the Copenhagen proposals. You do not believe this ? – Just wait and see.

Yet, it is all based on supposition – no facts.

Here is the composition of the gas we call air. NASA chemical analysis. Check it out – you will find it to be true.
Percentage by volume of total gas %

Nitrogen 78.084
Oxygen 20.946
Argon 0.934
Water Vapour 0.000
Carbon dioxide 0.038 Repeat, 0.038% of the total
Neon, helium, methane, krypton, & hydrogen 0.0027

TOTAL GASES PRESENT 100.005

My question is this. How can we assume that we can control such a small amount of so a called pollutant measured to be only 0.038 % ( i.e. 380 parts per million ) of the total chemical content of air ? And only half of this small quantity is considered to be made by human causes. Where is the proven science that ensures these forced reductions will be effective ?
The proposed Copenhagen legislation is to control internationally just 0.019 % of the content of air by attempting to reduce the carbon dioxide content of the air we breath to force it to fall below this figure in the next 20 years. Let me repeat this. The proposals are intended to reduce the manmade total CO2 content of air, currently only 0.019 parts per hundred (190 ppm) – to something less than this. What a preposterous assumption for us to make ! And the theory is quite untested, and it cannot be tested as there is no way of doing so. Rather like a Religion – a faith that cannot be proven.
The Copenhagen proposals are that if nations exceed their allowance they will be fined, and the money called Carbon Credits will be paid to those nations who are in line with or below their allowances. The EU currently leads the world in this proposal. Significantly, major countries do not. China, India, The United States, most of the Pacific rim countries, and many others do not support the proposals. Many others give relief to certain groups within their economy as in, well, don’t do it now, maybe later. These non supporting countries have recognized how costly it will be, and how shackled their economies will be. All based on unproven pseudo science.
The doubtful science of cause and effect is why I do not support Climate Armageddon and I for one are not loosing sleep over it. But I am hugely worried about the effect of that adoption of Copenhagen like proposals will have on our future day to day prosperity and that my grandchildren will be forced to reduce their standard of living from current levels by a half if we allow those against increases in prosperity have their way.
And in passing; The reductions in travel implied in the Copenhagen proposals will mean that tourist travel is an anti-social pastime. Can you imagine what this would mean to worlds prosperity then? There is no free ride for anyone – as it is all based on consensus, but not on science.

Yes, I am wrongly called a Heretic – when I am just against forced political implementation of unproven and immensely costly ideas.

Comment by PATRICK SHEILS on November 27, 2009 at 9:13 pm

I wonder if Mr. Cammeron supports Gender Equality in relation to wages and pensions.

If he wins the next election are males going to be forced to work until 66 years before claiming state pension and if so is this not a Gender TAX

Comment by colin clifford on November 27, 2009 at 9:15 pm

Sorry for all the mistakes above, had the wrong glasses on

Comment by Worried on November 27, 2009 at 9:16 pm

Dear Mrs Thatcher – Sorry Dear “Dave”

Cool we even have an expert meteorologist on here now – brilliant.will you listen to one of those then or are you going to be bloody minded and still bang the drum for Copenhagen. you are going to end up looking pretty silly you know.

Comment by Dave B on November 27, 2009 at 9:20 pm

I’m all in favour of enegy security, but I very much hope that the Conservatives will not handicap UK Plc with any regulation based on the unproven ‘global warming’ hypothesis.

Comment by Mark Alladin on November 27, 2009 at 9:27 pm

It now appears that you feel you cannot win as an independent Conservative Party and you as leader it more important to side with the Greens so Europe can make laws we cannot or will not conveniently question as it gives, money grabbing piers and MP’s oversized income packages!
Be like Thatcher grow a backbone and stop trying to keep Europe onside.
Close borders, with so much trouble throughout the world force ALL to apply for asylum within their own border…Isn’t this why we have Embassies and Consulates?
Government is for Governing do it Europe is not a vote concern, win the Election on key “English” policy or loose and spend another in the (Shaddow)

Comment by Ian Barnett on November 27, 2009 at 9:27 pm

DC is a great believer on Referenda so I am told. Perhaps we could have a Referendum on whether Climate Change is something mankind can seriously affect or not . I would rather the world’s intellectual and scientific l rescources were devoted to designing and producing safer power sources including Nuclear Power and moving populations away from areas likely to be flooded. As the world’s human population is probably already ten times greater than the world can realistically sustain acceptable contraception worldwide should be a prime consideration for all nations and races.

Comment by Seamus Martin on November 27, 2009 at 9:29 pm

I am dismayed to see David Cameron trotting out all the usual clichés about alleged global warming and accepting as an article of faith than it is man-made. We need major political figures in this country to stand up and be counted just like five members of the the Australian Liberal front bench have done.

We must not rely solely on Conservative figures such as former Chancellor, Nigel Lawson, an eminent party grandee to be sure, but one whose time in the spotlight was two decades ago. We need the present leadership to actually lead too.

The backlash against global warming hysteria has already begun in America and Australia. Will David Cameron take the lead here and now or have to play unprincipled catch-up late on?

One very positive point. Well done, Mr Cameron, for allowing all these overwhelmingly negative responses to your latest initiative to appear in print on your blog. THAT does show leadership.

Comment by Bryan Crawley on November 27, 2009 at 9:29 pm

Conservative policy should include automatic solar energy for new build houses.
An action Plan to seriously help homeowners to fit systems at a reaonable and affordable price.
Ithis will help emissions, save inporting energy from foregn countries and assist with our balance of payments, not to mention the extra employment of a workforce to install these units therefore lowering the un employment rate. David get it together now

Comment by Mark Alladin on November 27, 2009 at 9:29 pm

European voice say’s Global Warming?
Again it appears Goverments say Mmm…Cash cow!

Comment by Ross J Warren on November 27, 2009 at 9:32 pm

As you may have worked out by now David, the rank and file of the party are almost to man sceptical about the Co2 science. That’s a great shame in my opinion because the aim and ambitions, of increased efficiency and lower consumption, are excellent in anyone’s book. I would recommend taking a hard line, and stick to your guns. Perhaps we might consider making climate change denial a criminal matter
Or better still take a sceptical stance, but underline how important reducing our dependence on Russian Gas and Arab Oil really is. I see a golden opportunity, sadly far to many would cut off their noses to spite their faces.

Comment by P Mason on November 27, 2009 at 9:33 pm

I agree with the gentleman above; if the idea is to save resources and reduce carbon footprints, why don’t all these people use video conferencing instead of decamping en masse to an in-person meeting.

Reinstate the 10p tax level and expand it.

Give us the Lisbon referendum you promised us; even if it is fair accompli – at present anyway – we should be allowed to register our disapproval as we were led to believe we would be able.

Refuse to pay any more money to the EU until their books have been independently audited; if it was a private firm it would have gone under years ago. Then they might take some notice of us, and we would have more money in the country, not being wasted in Brussels.

Whilst I am at it, limit the amount of money people coming here from overseas are able to send home to their families.

And, there are plenty of environmental projects in this country that unemployed people could work on as volunteers to earn their benefits.

Thank you and goodnight!!

Comment by L Porter on November 27, 2009 at 9:35 pm

“just as we are part of One Nation here in Britain, so Britain is itself part of One World”

Erm WHAT?!!

One World? Please, tell me this is just rhetoric to win over floating labour voters and not serious participation in this One World Governance collectivist internationalist drivel!

Our responsibility towards the poor elsewhere is simply to get off their backs. It IS NOT about us kneeling down so that they can stand on ours.

Local community is the conservative realm; or has Osborne been spending too long with the collectivists and globalists again on their yachts?

Comment by Richard Ord on November 27, 2009 at 9:36 pm

This is rubbish. Green energy is a money soaking myth and vast amouns of money are paid in subsidies to ‘green’ providers. The scientific proof is that the world is getting colder, not warmer and the greenies refuse to believe this as they would be out of a job.

Windfarms are heavily subsidised by taxpayers, who pay subsidies to the owners so that they can make vast earnouts from the electricty income more normally generated at a loss without subsidies. Nuclear energy is needed in abundance, start now to build the resources we need, not in 30 years time.

The problem is also the over-use of scarce and dwindling resources, too many people breeding too many children and demanding too much space, China and India at 2.5 billion people wanting more resources, food scarcities will occur. Europe has a falling population, except in over-immigranted Great Britain where 500,000 immigrants arrived last year, all wanting more space and resources which we have to buy in from the third world and thus reduce their ownnatural resources and food potential.

The agenda for this summit includes getting the so-called rich nations to pay more to the ‘poorer nations’, what for? The money will be stolen and not used for food and education to teach birth control and provide water and other help. It is ironic that politicains pledge our money to fruitless causes, and today Mr Brownn called for a £800 million dollar fund for the poorer nations, paid for by the richer nations, What hypocrisy

Mr Cameron, get real and read these blofgs in reply to your rubbish, too many politicians are on the bandwagon as they are not intelligent enough to understand science and evidence. What you can do is to stop giving our money to fraudsters and tricksters far too intelligent for you to see through, and use it to educate and stop population explosions.

Anyway who believes a politician who said one thing over the Lisbon Treaty vote, and then did another?

Comment by Stephen Dawson on November 27, 2009 at 9:36 pm

Cumbria highlights the consequences of losing infrastructure to weather, terrorism… so forward-planing should make suspension-bridges ‘the-norm’; little-or-nothing in rivers extends the footprint [NIMBYs will complain].

90-mile detours mean emergency-services too dangerously-hindered.

State has the ‘option’ to ‘nationalise’ swathes of housing-estates; demolishing existing properties & renting-back state-of-the-art new-build 2+ meters off-the-ground on steel re-enforced concrete-stilts, maybe wrapped in cosmetic-stone.

Floor-to-ceiling walls-of-glass [5+layers] means people may work, study… from home reducing need to commute; maybe travel to office once or twice per-week/month.

Solar, wind… only ‘secure’ fuel-sources not subject to regime-change, terrorism, war…

Comment by Sean O’Byrne on November 27, 2009 at 9:37 pm

Get on the winning side. There is very little likellhood that man made CO2 has anything to do with climate change. Water vapour is the principal greenhouse gas and a good job it is there or we would freeze. The world seems not to be getting warmer any more. Distance yourself from the control freaks. This is NOT a winning position. Nor is submitting to undemocratic Euro socialism.

Comment by Alan Haile on November 27, 2009 at 9:37 pm

Climate Change is natural, the climate is always changing. CO2 emissions are harmless and there is no proof, or even evidence, that CO2 emissions cause warming. Some scientists have amended temperature records to make warming appear alarming when it is not. The original temperature records (unamended) for New Zealand show that there has been no warming at all over the past 150 years. There is no need to ‘combat’ climate change, you have been taken in by the climate alarmists. Yes address things like pollution and deforestation but CO2 is innocent, there is no need to reduce emissions at all. I think the policy of UKIP on this subject is about right.

Comment by David Price on November 27, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Ensuring a sovereign energy capability for economic and security of supply reasons is a rational and sensible aim. The decentralisatiion of energy you are promoting which rewards personal responsibility to reduce waste and perhaps conrtibute via micro-generation is spot on.

AGW is however a religion and unproven particularly in light of the UEA CRU debacle so I cannot support measures that impact the UK and myself that derive from this belief. I have a scientific and technical background and I haven’t yet heard a source I now trust on this topic.

I agree we need to be able to adapt to climate change, but the whole proposition that man is a driving force and so we can prevent it or minimize it needs to be re-examined.

Comment by Terence Clarkson on November 27, 2009 at 9:40 pm

Fine words David, but let’s hear from you about your position on Land Based Wind Farms which serve no purpose and split communities.
Greedy land owners and opportunistic developers only serve thenmselves and are in danger of destroying large tracts of our precious heritag.
In the words of a famous cook ” lets be ‘avin you”

Comment by Dr Bernard Juby on November 27, 2009 at 9:41 pm

We NEED CO2 to live. Man-made global warming is a myth. Don’t be conned into paying more money in taxes and losing more freedom with government intervention by listening to these discredited snake-oil salesmen. Have you not read the rubbisk from East Anglia? The Australians and the Americans have. Some 60 German scientists petitioned Angela Merkel recently not to listen to the false science and they were joined by a further 200.
Stop the knee-jerk reaction and think for a change on the cost implications – especially as we don’t have the money!

Comment by J.C. Clemence Q.P.M. on November 27, 2009 at 9:41 pm

Why? Are we not to be told of the real purpose of the proposed Treaty?.

Comment by Harlan Leyside on November 27, 2009 at 9:47 pm

Don’t be too shocked that Cameron’s Tories have so eagerly swallowed this combat-climate-change con-trick. It was the great god Maggie herself who set this wreckers-ball rolling. As if destroying our coal industry (we have enough coal to keep the lights on for another century or more), flogging off our precious oil and gas reserves (which could have kept us self-sufficient in energy into the 22nd Century), and promising nuclear power was the answer to our problems (until she realised the cost and abandoned it) was not enough. Maggie’s clarion call to combat climate change was the final seal on the dire fate her wretched government’s short-termism bequethed to us.
In the coming decade our lights will go out. That is 100% guaranteed. We cannot build power stations quick enough to replace the old ones.
To now make things far worse by caving in to the preposterous notion than windfarms, wave-power, rooftop solar pannels could combat (supposed) climate change was cretinous. If we do face serious global warming then we better damn well plan how to adapt to it rather than destroy the global economy in a futile bid to reverse it.
In the coming decade, whether we freeze or fry, do you think we’ll give a toss about global warming when lighting, heating, computers, fridge-freezers, microwaves etc.conk out ‘cos we’ve got no power?

Comment by Dave U on November 27, 2009 at 9:47 pm

You just do not understand that we are not convinced about green issues and your pursuit of this does you down.

Likewise Europe is a no no.

I have previously forecast that you will not win a majority in the next election.

I have always voted tory but shall not do so unless you change your policies.

You might even be in opposition for the next five years. In my opinion that would be a good thing as you would have to re-consider your position and support your genuine supporters.

UKIP looks more promising.

Convince me otherwise.

Comment by John B on November 27, 2009 at 9:47 pm

Mmmm – yet MORE “fringe” issues. Is this this the way to secure my vote?

You appear to still be accepting that climate change (if it is ACTUALLY happening) really is man-made.
I do have a scientific background and I have been saying for 10 years that what may be happening is NOT due to the activities of mankind but rather down to normal cyclical actions in the history of earth.
Whichever is true there is NOTHING that we can now do to stop it. It is either an unstoppable natural action OR, if really man-made (and I am still to be convinced) then it is already too late!!!

David, along with ALL political leaders, chooses to ignore the now VERY clear manipulation of Prof Jones and his cohorts at the CRU in UEA. Much is said about this being a “small and insignificant unit”. It IS NOT. It is one of 3 centres in the World which has championed that global warming is happening (the real figures prove otherwise) and that the cause is anthropogenic. NONESENSE.

I am also DISGUSTED that the Tory Party has itself renegaged on promises of a referendum on the EU and also proposes to INCREASE foreign aid to the likes of India. India can afford nunclear weapons and space probes whilst we cannot.

Immigration is another un-addressed issue.
You may now be getting the impression that my support for the Conservatibve Party is FAST ebbing away. You’d be right. Farage for example gives a far better representation of ethnic British views than any of the main parties. (Hannan perhaps excluded). So CHANGE rapidly or else face a hung Parliament!!

Horrible Harman on Question Time for once said something honest “don’t be arrogant”. A bit like the teapot calling the kettle black but she was RIGHT.

Comment by Graham Willard on November 27, 2009 at 9:48 pm

If you read all your blog correspondents,surely you must realize, that a fast majority of all the public think the climate change is noy a big issue,and people are more concerned about the Libon Treaty, immigration, foreigners getting free hospital treatment, and pandering in to the ethnic minoritys, scraping the human rights act.

Comment by hodges on November 27, 2009 at 9:51 pm

‘Cameron calls for action on extremism’
So let’s start with these Climate change extremists!

Comment by dave b on November 27, 2009 at 9:51 pm

Disappointed to see just how out of touch you are DC.However, my decision to support UKIP tangibly last week has been underpinned.

Comment by russ on November 27, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Dave, you need to raise your game, this latest edict is ill timed amateurish gibberish, read the world news, climate change is exposed for the fraud it is, but you and your cohorts continue to pander to the myth.

You think you are ready for government, but you need to improve, if you were half as good as Maggie then I and millions like me could relax, but, you are not…..

Comment by John Peek on November 27, 2009 at 9:52 pm

If Al Gore were right then you would be too. However, The High Court found large parts of his ‘Inconvenient Truth’ not to be the truth and I feel your firm conviction will end in embarrassment.
In recent poll 92% of Daily Mail readers did not accept th GW theory.

Michael Mann,s hockey stick, the emblem of the UN, even defies common sense and history. The East Anglia University debacle also highlights the growing evidence of a major scam.

Please, please change your policy!!

Comment by Simon Hackett on November 27, 2009 at 9:58 pm

So how will the delgates get there – commercial aircraft or chartered? A bunch of hypocrites – A bit like the biggest – Tony Blair, flying in a private jet when he resigned from his constituency! He would ave been better off getting a train as he was supposed to be ‘concerned’ about global warming. Global warming/climate change – teh earth has been through 2 ice ages that we know of – its a nautural cycle.
Don’t cut dowen rain forests for bio fuel crops it defeats what rain forests do. Carbon offsetting is was te – by teh time you’ve paid for a tree to grow a rain forest the size of Wales has been cut down

Comment by Simon Walton on November 27, 2009 at 9:58 pm

What I would like to know is how much the gentlemen in the article recycle themselves, and how they do it.

Comment by Ian Barnett on November 27, 2009 at 9:58 pm

Has George Osborne ever tried to sort out his own household rubbish into recyclables; landfill;cardboard, paper; glass; metal – oh, and ‘don’t knows’ ? Perhaps another word in his speech – ‘reward’ – should be replaced by ‘Bonus’ – he probably knows much more about that ! Do try harder George !!

Comment by D Tudor Greaves on November 27, 2009 at 10:00 pm

I agree with every effort to help the world. In my small way I would like to help by building or amending a building/home with every known effort eg.- solar panels, heat pump, rainwater catchment wind turbine etc but can find no suitable property or land at a sensible cost.

Comment by Steve East on November 27, 2009 at 10:00 pm

You have to know that AGW is the biggest lie ever foisted on the public,now proved by the recent release of the e’mails from hadley cru! It is always claimed that ‘scientists agree that Co2 causes climate change’ – simply not true!The IPCC relies on a list of 155 scientists whereas 31500 scientists have signed a petition disagreeing ( including such greats as Edward Teller). You no doubt would like my vote in a few months time (a lifetime conservative and past member) – if you do not see this con for what it is then that vote will go elsewhere!!!

Comment by Geoffrey Bastin on November 27, 2009 at 10:01 pm

I wish we would appreciate that neither individuals nor Local Authorites carry out re-cycling. That is a process carried out by industry. When we fill our bins or take things to an amenity site we are simply “Sorting”. What happens after that is in the lap of the Gods. By all means ask your local authority for information on what happens to what and you may get a simplified answer. Or you may find that they are not sure. Better still, ask the men at the civic amenity tip and really find out. I can tell you now that most cardboard products are incinerated. Metals go to scrape dealers but what of the rest. Well unless the LA has firm arrangements with recyling specialsts then most likely the majority of household waste will end up in a big hole in the ground. Just because you took trouble to sort all your waste items does’nt mean a thing. I often think back to the spin used in WW2 when people were urged to donate their pots and pans for the war effort. Wrought iron work and many other useful items were also donated because people genuienly thought they were doing some good. Instead the whole thing had been dreamt up in some Ministry in the belief it make people think they involved in the war effort. And yes it all wound up in a big hole in the ground. I hope this obsession with “re-cycling” is not another con trick.

Comment by Si on November 27, 2009 at 10:03 pm

Ridiculous! You cannot possibly be unaware of the CRU leak. From email to document to software, it reeks of unprofessional ideologically driven scamming. The programming is a codification of the con – how much more obvious and damning can something get?

I get that you’re after votes of course, but if there is anything to be certain about with climate science, it’s that it’s been utterly compromised. We should not throw money and freedoms away over junk science, and it is too late to feign ignorance after forging ahead. I think it’s essential to see an approach that clamps decisions to the cleanup of the science.

Comment by Robert Shaw on November 27, 2009 at 10:04 pm

You can offset the annual greenhouse gas emission of your car by killing a cow – which farts the same quantity of emissions – so eat more beef and save the world. – Actually we could eat the climate change alarmists too, how many alarmists equals one cow?

Comment by Graham Lee on November 27, 2009 at 10:05 pm

I am a conservative supporter, but please do not keep banging on about climate change. IT IS NOT HAPPENING! There has been no warming this century, the temp. is cooling, polar bear numbers are increasing. In Roman times vineyards were cultivated adjacent to Hadrians ‘ Wall, without today’s carbon emissions, so where is the logic, or more importantly, the proof. The climate has alwa ys been cyclical and dependent on the activity of the one single governing factor, the sun.

Comment by Nannyknowsbest on November 27, 2009 at 10:05 pm

Dear David,
In response to your email, are you dense or just illiterate?
Global warming, climate change or whatever they are calling it this week is a complete,, utter and insane “scam£, based on no scientific proof, data (they admitted only this week that they simply “made up” the data) and, so far as “peer reviewed”, they simply backed each other up,
We are not heating, cooling or changing the climate in any way, shape or form, I would imagine that, at the last meeting of the “Illuminati”, they would have at least told you that., Check the UN records and you will find that as far back as the 1970s, the plan of “global climate change” was decided upon as a way of imposing a world government in the “post democratic” era.
You are either spectacularly stupid (which I don’t believe for a second) or you are, as they say, are part of the problem. Either way, in my opinion, as you simply seek to promote this myth of man made global climate change in the name of saving the planet, you are not fit to hold office, let alone become another “false flag” leader of this blighted country,
Most people in the country actually want to have their country back as it was, The freedom to walk where wish, without being branded a “potential” criminal. The right to have a pint and a fag in OUR pubs, without “Big Brother” telling the millions of ways we could die – we bloody well know we will all die and would rather concentrate on how we can live,
In short, unless you can come up with something more relevant than cutting carbon (an essential gas – without it, life could not exist and, should you idiots EVER get close to the “agreed” level of CO2, ALL plant life would die within 5 years – that, should you have never experienced it is called science) and actually make the lives of people better instead of concentrating on how to avoid dying (we are FEF UP with this). There is NO point in simply being alive if the life you have is unbearably miserable.
Wake up you stupid man, You wonder why your lead is slipping – it is because we want a leader – we don;t simply want to vote on what colour tie our dictator wears – which, seems to be the only choice we have now. Listen or don’t – I don;t care – it;s your career not mine.
Best of luck Tony – opps sorry David (how easy it is to slip up these days)

Comment by Roy Chamberlain on November 27, 2009 at 10:06 pm

More supposed intelligent beings sucked into the propaganda machine. We might need to “consider” all we do but the now panic mentality of politicians will simply turn most of the rational people of this country completley against any form of forced tax induced change.
When the EU stop their waste then maybe we might be a little less sceptical. It really is another show of contempt for the electorate when this grandstanding comes before the real issues facing bankrupt Britain.
The working people of this country are sinking fast under rise after rise in Electricity, water gas, council and general tax charges. Increases in fuel (more tax ) bank charges food prices. They cannot keep absorbing these crippling increases yet your main concern is to listen to discredited jobsworths, whose very job security is dependent on their ever more dramatic outbursts and claims about global warming. many are simply justifying their well paid, well pensioned and protected existence (as long as they keep up the hype) Get real Mr Cameron and let Brown save the world, he has done it before according to him so leave him to it, YOU save Britain and its working voters.

Comment by Frank C. Radley on November 27, 2009 at 10:07 pm

O dear! The last great person to achieve what this country required of him in Copenhagen did so two hundred years ago; and he wasn’t even the ‘top man’ at the time.
Too much to expect any such thing these days. Anyway, make the most of it. FCR

Comment by Prof’. David Watson on November 27, 2009 at 10:08 pm

The warming of our planet is happening, whether it be a post glacial warming event or man-made, it is here. The rapid increase (acceleration) may suggest we have played a part. UK is in a position to be world leaders in investing in new ideas…

David Cameron – we can invent the new future, in fact, 4nrg has the answers…

David
4NRG

Comment by L. Ireland on November 27, 2009 at 10:11 pm

I too have always voted Tory but now I am wavering. One reason is because you now see yourselves as the `new` Conservatives which inevitably means you will become no different than New Labour.

But the main reasons are Europe and `climate change`. You must hold a referendum to guage this countries feelings towards continuing integration with Europe. It is corrupt and self serving – see how our soldiers are dying compared to the cowardly European approach. `All for one and one for all`, I think not.

Get out there and stimulate a debate on climate change and champion the input from eminent scientists and others who have opposing thinking on this important issue.

Get the data out into the public domain – scientists don’t always seek the truth, they sometimes want to further there own agendas and self importance.

Politically, you don’t give me much hope for positive and radical change David – frankly, if you get into power I think it will be more of the same…

Alas.

Comment by Peter on November 27, 2009 at 10:11 pm

Read Your own blog,Mr C.
No-one is terribly bothered by climate/tax increases.
WE are more bothered about Immigration,Massive taxation,government control,europe and a weak and ineffective opposition.
Time is running out for You.
Show some guts now or you will be another no hoper archived to History.

Comment by Peter Price on November 27, 2009 at 10:12 pm

What a load of claptrap, will he have the courage to stand up at the conferance and present the global warming figures based on real facts from real studies and not error filled computer generated rubbish? What we need is a real leader who has the courage to stand up and present the country with some radical ideas to solve our looming energy crisis. None of the ideas presented so far offers anything radically different from the false promises we have had for the last 12 years. Come Conservatives lets have some real and radical ideas for change to the environment, economy and social state of our once great nation.

Comment by Bryan Crawley on November 27, 2009 at 10:12 pm

To help combat global worming and solve the balance of payments problem, the unemployment problem and lowering the cost of our utility bills we need to implement
1) a law for building regs on new houses to automatically include solar power
2) Set out a REAL government program to make the cost of the system a more realistic option.
This will bring the price down and stimulate the manufacturing in Britain It will help lower the un employment. We would import less gas and electric therefore lowering the balance of payments deficit and everyone will have lower utility bills. David, get out there and do it NOW.
I have spoken with my MP but he does not seem interested I also sent this message to David Cameron 6 months back and am still waiting for a reply
Bryan disheartened Conservative member

Comment by panagiotis pitsiougas on November 27, 2009 at 10:12 pm

you are right david,but now like our 80s,suddenly people from all around the world ask for my assistance,what am i supposed to do,i cannot go to cambodia again,this trip is long gone,truth lies in the song of kim wilde

Comment by Gordon Southcott on November 27, 2009 at 10:14 pm

It is quite clear that CRU East Anglia have massaged to figures to get their desired result. Now Mike Hulme of EA has admitted quote The I.P.C.C. itself, through its structural tendency to politicize climate change science, has perhaps helped to foster a more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production unquote.

In N Zealand Rodney Hide, leader of ACT party has asked Nick Smith minister os climate for the release of all temp data with the same accusation. Aust is in turmoil and in the U.S. there are similar calls for an enquiry.

The cost of Copenhagen is enormous. Nothing should be signed until definitive study is made

Kind regards
Gordon Southcott

Comment by H Stewart on November 27, 2009 at 10:18 pm

I have given up on all of the political parties of this supposidly great country, they are not sorting out the problems in this country, so i do not believe that they think the can have any impact on anything on this planet

Comment by martin stenton on November 27, 2009 at 10:23 pm

Dont care for climate control ,Consentrate on poverty as that is your biggest issue.

Comment by P Standing on November 27, 2009 at 10:23 pm

Your poll ratings seem to have slipped. I suggest you would gain possibly as much as 10 points in the polls if you were to publicly recant anything to do with COP15, and demand a public inquiry into the CRU emails, and demand a fullo explanation of the CRU data files (especially harry_read_me.txt) and the catastrophic state of the CRU temperature records.

Comment by Alex on November 27, 2009 at 10:25 pm

David,

Up here in the North of England we need a “reason to believe”.

We are some distance from your Notting Hill set and politico incrowds.

Surely cannot you see that outside of your priveledged circle no-one is convinced regarding the Climate Change argument.

Global Warming is not man made, it;s a natural cycle.
How on Earth do you explain the Medieval Warm Period when Roman Legions were cultivating vines on Hadrians Wall.

Get a grip man, grow some balls and call a spade a spade.

Or is the Tory party also under the thumb of the New World Order and Banksters.

UKIP anyone.

Comment by Marshland on November 27, 2009 at 10:31 pm

Mr Cameron should take a long hard look at the science behind the global warming cult. He will find little to substantiate their claims and save the country a lot of money as a result

Comment by Daedalus on November 27, 2009 at 10:34 pm

Well it would be fine if global warming was true. I have absolutely no issue with saving energy in fact that has been my job for the last 16 years and I’m very good at it. There is a very very very large yellow thing in the sky that influences our weather far more than anything else. This is just a good way to alter the tax regime so the polluter pays and gain more control of our ie the voter lives.

Daedalus

Comment by realist on November 27, 2009 at 10:36 pm

I am disappointed. You ought to be exposing Climate Gate and the news blackout.

http://www.climatechangefraud.com

Comment by Dick Schrader on November 27, 2009 at 10:36 pm

I know you must be busy David so perhaps you missed the recent confirmation of what so many of us suspected, climate change is a figment of one set of scientists imagination.

For gods sake get some guts and repudiate this nonsense and when you’ve done that lets have an in or out referendum on Europe.

While we are at it what are you doing going along with the “Phillip Blond” nonsense.

You are losing real Tory voters by the thousand, a hung parliament is likely to be the best you can manage. I am certainly thinking of voting elsewhere after a lifetime voting Tory and its your fault.

Comment by John Gray on November 27, 2009 at 10:37 pm

Would this be the same climate change that isn’t changing and is the subject of the climategate email scandal. Is this the same climate change which is going to swamp our country with a possible seven inch rise in the sea levels in the next thousand years. The very same climate change where people could go and preach their nonsense about shrinking glaciers in safety on a growing glacier. Instead I think I will follow in your footsteps Dave and cycle for ten yards and have a gas guzzler follow behind for after the photo op, (oops not supposed to mention Photo ops now that you and Gordon used dead soldiers to promote yourselves). Climate change is a political lie, an inconvenient politicians lie and a whip to increase taxes and control the public. In the end it is just a lie Dave.

Comment by Sean on November 27, 2009 at 10:39 pm

It’s absolutely sickening that the Conservatives are defending what we now can see is an outrageous fraud. There’s now clear evidence of institutional corruption of the scientific process. If you’re not prepared to defend the truth, you don’t devserve a vote. Perhaps you’re waiting for the opinion polls? If you’re not prepared to lead rather than follow, why should anyone trust you to lead the country? All you do is bend with the wind. You don’t deserve a vote. I’ve always voted Conservative, was even a party member once. Now I’d vote for anyone but.

Comment by Patrick Moore on November 27, 2009 at 10:39 pm

Oh dear greenwash propaganda swallowed whole or maybe just enough to give the justification for more authoritarian removal of light bulbs and increases in tax. Reduce carbon consumption in the long term but don’t try and get us back to the middle ages. Go nuclear as fast as possible and stop all this p******ng around.

Comment by Margaret Willan on November 27, 2009 at 10:41 pm

We need to know more about this document, which seems to be as much about one world government as it is about so-called climate change. And, like with signing up for the euro, there will be no going back.

Comment by William Hammond on November 27, 2009 at 10:43 pm

Why has the Hadly climategate scandal not been hitting the mainstream news?? Another cover up Mr Cameron but it won’t wash. I mean, who reads the nonsense in the mainstream media anyway? We all know whats going on so you might as well come clean. The debate on climate change is definitely not over, made obvious in the hacked files from the Hadley Centre. To go ahead with this charade at Copenhagen and commit to a global carbon tax etc is nothing short of a criminal act.

Comment by alan claxton on November 27, 2009 at 10:47 pm

my contribution to climate change, if caused by man is miniscule. Nature has always ruled, through ice ages and warming, you think we can chande it?, think again.
Now the EU, you can change, if you cant then get us out.
Now you know what REALLY CONCERNS most conservatives, be a man, bite the bullet and put the Great back into Britain.
Let Britannia Rule again, not the French and the Germans.

Comment by Peter on November 27, 2009 at 10:48 pm

Get real David, we pensioners can hardly afford to fund your green issues, and if you intend to price all the motorists off the road as labour is doing then kiss good by to No 10
Peter

Comment by Peter Palmer on November 27, 2009 at 10:54 pm

Climate change has never stopped. Ever. The speed of change has varied throughout history.
The IPCC should be ashamed of it’s bad science and scaremongering. Political leaders should know better.
The questions that need an answer are: what changes can we expect in the predictable future; how will the changes affect the world we know; what measures do we need to take to ensure food and energy security; what political and military risks will be faced by those nations that prepare better from those that will not?
David, be a leader, not a follower. Get the best information available ( eg compare the IPCC reports with the SPPI monthly reports).
The ‘green industry’ is growing and very vocal. That does not make it right. It is, however, very expensive.

Comment by Chris McLaughlin on November 27, 2009 at 10:55 pm

I can see you have to say something about the pointless Copenhagen Summit, but…The Earth has been cooling for the last decade.More importantly, today France got a stranglehold on the future of the City of London through the EU Commission. At least Hague and Johnson understand the issue – whilst you worry about a planet that is getting colder. Instead of inventing new ways to tax us, you and George Osborne should be paying minimal attention to this Greenscam. The greater threat to the UK’s prosperity is the Commission, the end of North Sea Oil, our bankrupt economy, neutered schools and universities and our lack of cheap nuclear energy. Drop the Hockey stick and leave it for socialist professors to debate. Your articulated position is as effective as the ridiculous windmill you fitted in Notting Hill.Has it made a light bulb glow yet? You may have decided to take real Tories for granted through to the election – that’s Ok, we accept that . But before you jump on the Climate Bus, read “The Limits to Growth” or the proceedings of the Stockholm Conference on population to see how the last scare was handled. You might also ask for a brief on Seventies Global Cooling worries. BBC programmers were promoting Professor Calder’s view of the coming next ice age. I still have the BBC book “The Ice Machine”.
Try reading more than The Guardian and listening to Roger Harabin. Yesterday it was Red Tories and now today this. Give the electorate reasons to elect before Brown’s sudden March poll dash.He might prefer that to revealing the books. Focus on Labours client state, benefit bondage, over-manning in the public sector, the economy, cutting red tape, reducing taxes and cutting the deficit, preserving the Union and standing up to Brussels as one of two net contributors. The electorate doesn’t care about anything that will cost them money or demands a change in lifestyles.

Comment by Charles Daly on November 27, 2009 at 11:02 pm

The problems that face the planet are going to make Copenhagen’s reductions pale into insignificance once the population rises to 9.2 bn from the current 6.3 bn in 2050.

So much hot air when the problems are going to be the battle for water, hydrocarbons and arable land.

get real guys.

Comment by John Armstrong on November 27, 2009 at 11:05 pm

If you want to win the election; do not continue with this drivel.

NOBODY BELIEVES IT!

Comment by Judith Hereford on November 27, 2009 at 11:09 pm

I don’t accept that we are to blame for climate change although I do agree we should use the planet’s resources wisely.

Comment by Berenice on November 27, 2009 at 11:28 pm

There is so much wrong with this country and somehow you just don’t seem to get the message. If we individually are responsible for global warning, then why are we importing so many people from hot climates? Wouldn’t it be sensible to leave them where they don’t need to burn oil to keep warm! This would leave the hardy northern species who are more acclimatised to the British weather. We would have less cars on our roads, produce less food, oh I forgot, we don’t do that anymore do we? God help us if we ever needed to. Less children, less schools, less patients in hospital. Seems there is less commonsense going round too. A simple answer to a simple problem would be nice not all this pontificating on something blown out of all proportion.

Comment by Rogerio F Albuquerque on November 27, 2009 at 11:28 pm

Hello David!
I was wishing to hear from you about environment and here I have your comments. I
didn´t wait so long for read them.If I could help, I would recicle the organics here in S.Paulo, to avoid methane in the air and to provide compost to new vegetables. Less than 3% of garbage is composted. Politicians here have no concerns about that. This is a good subject for the summit. Don´t you think so?
We feel world wide the transformation process that is taking place, ok for rain out of season despite the uncontrolled floods here and there, new tornados regions are appearing and increasing power every year, but I think the most incredible are flowers getting out from the trees totally out of their time and the invasion of cities by small animals and insects.
Come on everybody let´s clean our home.

Comment by heckmonwyke on November 27, 2009 at 11:33 pm

So dave still believes in global warming,and had a windfarm on his roof in the capital of UK nottinhill,if this person becomes the prime minister of Great Britain he would do well to remember that most of the british public dont care about global warming they dont believe the hype,we need proper leaders not posers like dave

Comment by Ian Harris on November 27, 2009 at 11:34 pm

it is far from certain that the earth actually is warming, and it is even less far from certain that man’s puny efforts have anything to do with it. Global warming has become a religion, with prophets and acolytes, with the non-believers cast into a virtual hell. What I see is a stupendous amount of money which will have to come, ultimately, from us the tax-payers and travellers, will destroy landscapes with absurd windmills which will never save the cost and energy wasted on their erection – or maybe erection is apposite for politicians’ desire to be seen to be doing something

Comment by john swift on November 27, 2009 at 11:36 pm

well David the ttime has cme to make a crucial decision.
we can no longer sit with one leg either side of the fence (its uncomfortable for a start)are we in Europe or not.How can we influence the future if we are not FULL members.futile arguments about giving up the pound we already did weve got the kilo
i dont care what currency is in my pocket as long as it has value.

Comment by john swift on November 27, 2009 at 11:42 pm

David.
When did you last visit Leicester??come and take a look at the state of the roads.
years of labour neglect extermley dangerous
I will email you some photos then be my guest to see first handthe devastation they have unleashed on local road users

Comment by Joe Johnston on November 27, 2009 at 11:48 pm

You’ve already lost my vote Mr Cameron with your burying of Britain in ‘Europe’ so don’t give me ‘all part of one world’. And as for global warming – don’t make me laugh – where’s the impartial science? Answer – you’re ignoring it. Just like you’re ignoring your electorate – Brown might still beat you and, guess what? This life-long conservative voter doesn’t care because the real government is now in Brussels – an appointed one – not an elected one. That’s more important than any other issue and you’re running away from it.

Comment by heckmonwyke on November 27, 2009 at 11:57 pm

So dave still believes in global warming suppose when you are in nottighill and have a wind farm on your roof. As well as in your speech’s you believe your spinners hype. the British public dont believe in global warming or that you or your mob know anything about this countrys problems or its people If you get in it will be by default

Comment by heckmonwyke on November 28, 2009 at 12:06 am

Why use this planets resources wisely.for who,the next mutation

Comment by PATRICIA GREEN on November 28, 2009 at 12:22 am

For heavens sake, Mr Cameron – GROW UP.

Comment by A E Rout on November 28, 2009 at 12:29 am

What can I say that many others have not said before me! nothing methinks however if Mr Cameron should by chance read what has been written here it should provide him with a great deal of food for thought.
As many have said they will not be voting for
the Tory party or lib/lab for that matter.
This global warming is a load of manure to put it politely all for taxes and pointing away from the true issues that matter to the people of this Nation, such as fiddles, lies, and cheating on exs in Parliment and the failure to give this Nation a Referendum on the lousy rotten corrupt EU, the majority in this Country want out of the EU that is why the Cons & Labour did not give us a referendon for they knew what the answer would have been.

what I cannot understand why as a Nation we allow just a handfull of people to dictate to
us we should be the ones doing the telling, mp.’s are there to do what the nation wants not the other way round,
take heed Mr cameron you may not get what you are after, we are not stupid.

Comment by Jan on November 28, 2009 at 12:41 am

I beg to disagree. The underlying theories are unproven. Individual scientists as well as the IPCC (United Nations) have turned climate change into a self-serving enterprise.

Other research, such as of atomic physics at CERN, Switzerland, is far more relevant to our future than research of climate change.

Worst-case senario in the next 50 years large parts of China, India and the United States would turn into desert, whilst Britain’s climate would shift towards mediterranean, perhaps with two harvesting opportunities per year.

In other words: If we continue to let the US, India and China have it their way, then Britain’s competitive, economic and geo-political position is prone to automatically improve.

So, in our own best interest, maybe this time we should do nothing.

Once we have reasserted global authority we could contemplate action -from a position of power.

Comment by James on November 28, 2009 at 12:47 am

More clap trap.

How about some sense on the global warming CON? Roger Helmer is THE top Tory on this – read his books and blogs Dave!

Free our industries from CO2 taxes, dump the windmill nonsense and go nuclear – the path to UK economic recovery.

Also, defend our banks from the EU smash and (German) grab. They are jealous of London’s financial power and now they’re breaking it up.

Dump Copenhagen and be a British Prime Minister in waiting Mr Cameron – not a lapdog to the climate change self-interest group.

Comment by James on November 28, 2009 at 12:54 am

p.s. you need to sack the team of donkeys advising you or you will never win the election – you are becoming WORSE than Labour!

Or do you really believe this drivel? In which case we’re better off with ANYONE else, because if you can’t see this is utter nonsense you’re unfit to be PM.

Comment by PATRICIA GREEN on November 28, 2009 at 1:07 am

I read in Times Online 28.11.09 that the new leader, Lord Pearson wants:

1. to pull Britain out of the European Union,

2. boost the UK’s defence budget by 40 per cent

3.bring back grammar schools.

That’ll do me then!

Comment by Bill on November 28, 2009 at 1:15 am

David, I hope upon hope you read the comments above. There are a lot of people talking a lot of sense here. Listen to what is being said and remember you are looking to gain 117 seats in order to be PM.

First things first; tackle the problems of the people and give the population hope for the future. This isn’t going to come from constant talk of climate change.

We have a huge debt brought on by Blair and Brown and it will be up to the conservative party to redress the balance.

It is a time to be politically adept not politically correct. Labour have stolen the pension monies, sold our gold, taken us to war (Iraq), we have troops fighting in Afghanistan who are ill equipped but the MOD expecting bonuses, spent money on the NHS and doesn’t know where it has gone, spent huge sums on Education and doesn’t know where it has gone, has given money to the Banks and cannot account for it, has lost control of immigration and cannot account for the numbers and the list goes on and on. Why is it I never hear from conservatives bringing in checks and balances? Heaven knows you have lots of good brains in the party who can make such things happen overnight if they start planning now!

I’m afraid that unless you get on with the things that really matter to the public at large, you will not gain the seats you require. the Party will end up saying, “Where did we go wrong”? There are comments above telling you what is needed…listen to them.

David, you will get my vote but you need a lot more than me to make you the next PM !

Comment by Tom Birkert on November 28, 2009 at 2:56 am

Mr Cameron – or his secretary, researcher or whatever.

Please read the comments. Digest what people are saying. Your stance on the environment is alienating thousands.

Just announce that there will be a debate. ClimateGate is the biggest story in years and it shows the whole IPCC to be a fraud.

The Tory “man in the street” does not believe in man made climate change. The sooner you realise this the better otherwise you won’t win the election.

Comment by Celina Marshall on November 28, 2009 at 7:07 am

Mr, Cameron, I go along with Tom Birkert above. We are desperate to rid ourselves of the Labour fiasco.

When will the Conservatives face up to what is happening with Hadley Centre’s Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University?

New Zealands NIWA is now under fire for allegedly massaging raw climate data to show a global warming trend that wasn’t there.

5 cabinet members in Australia have resigned over this topic and there is growing dissent in the USA.

The government needs to understand that people can see the need for saving rain forest and a cleaner [ politically as well as environmentally] energy policy, but we don’t need to be taxed by the EU on the back of at best dodgy science, at worst government sponsored propoganda and lies.

Please, please,Mr. Cameron, let us the people be treated with respect and come clean with what is really the agenda.

It is painfully obvious that voices of scientists [ such as David Bellamy] who do not agree with man made global warming have been silenced by the BBC.

When we know the truth, we can pull together, but when we smell control ….. chaos and dissension will be the outcome.

Our nation will fight for truth and justice, give us the chance.

Comment by Dr Phillip Bratby on November 28, 2009 at 7:12 am

David, I have written to you before giving you the evidence (or complete lack thereof) for the hypothesis of man-made climate change. You never replied to me.

With the evidence of Climategate before you, demonstrating quite clearly that man-made climate change is a complete scam, the position should be even more clear to you. There is no man-made climate change. The atmosphere is, if anything, short of that life-giving gas CO2.

Get real, forget climate change, or lose a lot of support to UKIP. Most citizens (voters) are very sceptical of climate change, and increasingly so.

Be sure that, following the damage that the continuing Climategate saga is doing, scientists such as me are doing all we can to publicise the scam and bring back the good name to science and this country, .

Sincerely,
Phillip Bratby BSc (physics), PhD, ARCS

Comment by bernardpalmer on November 28, 2009 at 7:25 am

It seems to me the political world can be split into two groups.

Those that believe in man made global warming and those that don’t. Those that do are on the left of politics and support an ETS and Socialism in general.

David Cameron is therefore a Socialist and should be outed as such.

Comment by Celina Marshall on November 28, 2009 at 7:25 am

Please Mr. Cameron, would you halt immigration completely until our population explosion has been taken care of

….and would you halt the destruction of forests to feed our growing number of power stations, or we really can’t possibly believe in a CO2 problem at all.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6918024.ece

Comment by jon on November 28, 2009 at 7:44 am

The worse possible time to be peddling this nonsense, just as the entire edifice is shown to be fraudulent.

After so much about localism and the devolution of power that I agreed with, suddenly we’re back in the tired old territory of ‘big government knows what’s right for you’.

I despair for my country.

Comment by Ian Gaylard on November 28, 2009 at 7:53 am

David
Please concentrate on` real and proven ‘ issues affecting the lives of British people not percieved doom mongering. Are you that far removed from the British people to think we are all ` taken in ‘ by this Global scam – remember Y2K etc ? Stop wasting £Millions on this fairy tale and get on with real issues ( EU, Poverty, NHS, Immigration etc) – you will lose the good will that you have strived so hard to achieve

Comment by Sue on November 28, 2009 at 8:08 am

May I just say what a complete waste of time this website is! You ask for people’s opinions and comments on a subject and then go ahead and completely ignore everyone.

Does David Cameron or his team even bother to read and analyse what the general consensus is amongst us peasants?

Don’t the wishes of the majority mean anything to the Conservatives anymore?

Please let me know if you have ceased to be a democratic party and I will ensure that I don’t ever vote for you again!

Comment by glyn ferguson on November 28, 2009 at 8:09 am

AGW is a complete fraud and ok we have been duped but that does not mean we should carry on being fooled.
It’s time to ditch the Green agenda and start dealing with the real problems this country faces. If you and the Conservative party do show any form of leadership on this matter soon then UKIP here I come.

Comment by Robert Newman on November 28, 2009 at 8:15 am

Unless we get out of Europe or curtail their powers, we, nor you David will have any say in anything.
So once again it sounds like so much more hot air.
What we need more than Climate change is government change, For THe Better.

Comment by Alan E Baker on November 28, 2009 at 8:20 am

I wish I new who to believe. One lot full of doom, if we do not change our ways’ by next week end it’s all over for us and the Planet, and another saying it’s faulty science and a tax scam. Experts are notorious for getting it wrong so help me out who’s right?

Comment by Percy Kelland on November 28, 2009 at 8:22 am

I would like much more emphasis/recognition to be given to the link between growing populations and growing levels of climate change and environmental degradation with policies being proposed to reduce population growth.
Infinite population growth + Finite Resources=Inevitable catastrophe
It’s as simple as that.
Some population growth is an inevitable consequence of recent population increases and cannot be avoided. However, to stop the situation getting worse and to avoid or at least to mitigate, to some extent, a future catastrophe, we need to act NOW to slow and eventually stop population growth.
This does not need to be difficult and we do not need to fear any of the changes required.
No “drastic action” is called for.
Everything can and should be achieved by purely voluntary means.
With a proven link between rising economic prosperity and declining fertility rates, the focus should be on increasing the wealth of developing countries and ensuring that this is fairly distributed amongst their people. This can be aided by developed countries trading more fairly and at increased levels with developing nations and with the provision of more assistance, both financial and non financial. Rising prosperity in the developing nations will result in improved medical provision, lower levels of infant mortality, improvements in the provision of family planning services, in the education and empowerment of women and ultimately in falling birth rates.
With the majority of developed countries’ populations stabilising or (in the absence of net immigration) falling, their role should be to:
• set an example on population management, by having policies encouraging women to stop at 2 children- for example only paying child benefit for the first 2 children and not giving larger council houses to families with more than 2 children;
• have balanced migration policies, which maintain the economic potential of the country whilst permitting sustainable levels of immigration; and
• Provide both financial and non financial assistance to developing countries.
With regard to the provision of financial assistance, in the same way that taxes are used within countries to redistribute wealth from the relatively rich to the poorer sections of society, a Planet Enhancement Tax (PET) should be put in place to do this at an international level. The richest nations, starting with the G20 countries, should pay a PET of 1% of GDP which is used to fund projects in developing nations. Based on G20 GDP for 2008, a PET of 1% would raise approximately $500bn per annum. Focusing and spending this money in the right manner would make a significant contribution to improving the planet for all people and life on earth, both now and in the future.
It’s time we got to grips with this problem and we need to act NOW to avoid an otherwise inevitable catastrophe which will cost hundreds of thousands of lives, bring starvation and misery to millions and cause irreparable damage to the planet, its habitats and biodiversity.
I would like to see the Conservatives take positive action to limit population growth and by doing so improve the world for all. As a start please support the likes of Denmark in trying to get this issue incorporated into the Copenhagen talks.

Comment by Mike Iveson on November 28, 2009 at 8:27 am

It would be nice to hear DC comment on the Telegraphs’ Christopher Booker who takes the opposite view. Similarly the BBC (supposedly impartial) seem determined to push global warming. UKIP beckons!

Comment by Ken Newbury on November 28, 2009 at 8:37 am

I want to add to my last post Mr Cameron.
You are starting to look like a BOY doing a MANS job.
Where is the BULLDOG spirit of the Brits now?
Its no good you proclaiming your patriotism and your blue blood etc.
You are fast becoming a Blair clone and are losing the respect of the Majority of the Conservative party, let alone the country as a whole.
Get some BALLS man.
Take this country in the direction it wants to go; ie OUT of the EU and out of the Global Warming/Climate Change fiasco.
You are destroying all our dreams and heading us towards another term of Labour government.
Stop being a coward and show some leadership!!!!!
It is not too late.
If you want to emulate somebody, how about CHURCHILL, a man of the people?

Comment by Eric Morfitt on November 28, 2009 at 8:38 am

All these get togethers are a waste of time, until you get the biggest countries to agree to asomething,the last govt has used any excuse to put up taxes on anything the dopey greens say is harmful,until you sort out Russia,USA,India,China etc all parties are just using your electorate as whipping boys to the noisy minority.

Comment by Summer on November 28, 2009 at 8:39 am

Mr Cameron. As your research is so poor, you might like to watch this YouTube video about the state of the CRU data on the climate model. I defy you to watch this video and not call for an investigation, if you are an honest man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp4sMasX-_8

I found it on EU Referendum, who are reporting this whole scandal, unlike the main stream media. Can we, the public, now conclude that there is a conspiracy going on where debate and evidence that do not fit the political narrative are squashed?

Will Al Gore and the BBC eventually go into the history books of ‘crimes against humanity’ along side Joseph Goebbles? Do you not see that once the good name of British science and learning is goine, it is gone and we have lost a huge competitive advantage to try and restore our broken country.

Comment by Peter Wilman on November 28, 2009 at 8:40 am

Dear Mr. Cameron.

Have you actually read and understood the implications of the Copehagen agreement?

Why are you so wedded to this climate change/global warming bunkum? I do not disagree that the climate is changing. That is a given – it’s what the climate does. However, the whole global warming hoax, and it is a hoax, is nothing more than politicisation of the weather.

Floods in Gloucestershire – must be global warming.
Wet summer – must be global warming
Mild winter – global warmning
Cold winter – global warming.

David, it is complete and utter nonsense. Please will you talk not just to climate scientists, environmenalists and ecoloons, but also to some physicists that can give you informaion on CO2 and what it can or can’t do, information on the second law of thermodynamics which clearly illustrates that the so-called greenhouse effect is a complete lie and not possible within a planetary system. Talk to cosmologists and astronomers that can explain the sun’s role in our climate.

The IPCC and its adherents have focussed on one single solitary factor – carbon dioxide. Why? Because we all produce it and it can be taxed.

Billions of dollars have been wasted on research, Al Gore has become obscenely rich of the back of it and the argument from the proponenets is always “the science is settled”. well we’ve seen this week that the science isx not settled, that there are gaping holes in the datasets and the “scientists” are not prepared to release the raw data for any other scientists to test the theory – why? Because they know that the science is, at best flaky and they are manipulating the data to fit a theory – a theory that generates a whole lot of tax dollars in research grants.

Comment by Terry Parker on November 28, 2009 at 8:46 am

You should get out more David! This is NO longer one country, much as I would like it to be, and what I fought for.
Secondly, I support all this crap about climate change when the word MONEY is NOT mentioned. MONEY the GOD of new Labour !

Comment by Patricia on November 28, 2009 at 8:47 am

Having been an active campaigner for the environment 25 years ago when we were labelled ‘loony left’ for our efforts, i now see there are far more urgent concerns affecting the quality of our lives and that of our children and grandchildren. These concerns are too well documented for me to repeat here. Please, David, have the courage to stand up for everything that being British used to mean.

Comment by Harry Royle on November 28, 2009 at 8:48 am

“Vote Blue, get Green”
OR
“Vote UKIP, get out of Europe”
Which is the more important, a discredited AGW “religion” which Dave thinks is a “real (sic) danger” or the surrender of our sovereignty to a corrupt, unelected bunch of Eurocrats?
Care to think about that one, “Cast Iron” Dave?

Comment by John Mason on November 28, 2009 at 8:49 am

Another nail in your coffin as far as I`m concerned.

Words, words, words.

I`m to UKIP over no referendum.

Now you clearly havn`t looked at the ‘evidence’ on global warming and have jumped on the populist wagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI
Hopeless.

Comment by John Billam on November 28, 2009 at 8:50 am

If you draw a circle the size of a two pence piece and then put a full stop inside that circle, that full stop is about the proportion worldwide – represented by the circle – that we in Britain contribute to CO2 emissions. Why as a preamble to an election the Conservative party are putting so much emphasis on this instead of other more weighty matters is a mystery. With the Lisbon treaty ratified and done with, we need a counter plan to stand up to the EEC for one thing. We need the issue of immigration dealt with plus a reaffirmation that this country is Christian first and other religions second. We need to hear that people, ordinary people will get a better deal. No one on less than 15k per annum should pay income tax. They already pay enough tax in VAT. Give the people back their money and they will spend it and pay more tax that way and help the high street and manufacturing into the bargain. Take it away from them and they’ll get into debt. There are so many much more important issues than climate change which frankly I a not sold on. It is being used as an excuse to levy more taxes from an already over taxed nation, though we are now aware that we are to be saddled by higher taxes due to Brown’s incompetence. If Tuvalu in the Pacific is flooding, how come Holland has seen no rise in sea level. The answer is, Tuvalu,is sinking. The earth’s mantel is subsiding and it is more due to sub mantel volcanic change than climate change. So please don’t fudge it. The Conservative party has not been better placed to take power in the last twelve years than now. Most voters are not that interested in climate change. What they are interested in is how they are going to survive our devastated economy. How will they live with culture change in this country brought about by uncontrolled immigration. Do they feel safe in their homes and will there be justice for innocent victims in the courts. Those are the issues – some of them – that concern the voters.

Comment by Tony Silver on November 28, 2009 at 8:52 am

David,

Why don’t you grant Tax Relief to Enviromentally Friendly Investments such as Carbon Credits?

We are presently working on a Carbon Credits Fund for launch in 2010, but just need a sponsor to cash flow the project for around 130,000 GBP (repayable by the fund once it hits a target level).

Many large organisations already offset their carbon, however what better way than to use Tax Relief?

Kind regards

Tony Silver
Director
White House Capital Management

Comment by Andy McMenemy on November 28, 2009 at 8:57 am

Oh dear. It is clear that the Conservatives have been drinking from the Kool-Aid and swallowed the fraudulent information from CRU and the IPCC (and so carefully endorsed by the BBC). Evidently no critical analysis or debate… just blind acceptance, hook, line & sinker.

Comment by Wendy Smith on November 28, 2009 at 8:59 am

Global warming? I’m more concerned about Boris being given more powers over the Police. Be afraid, very afraid.

Comment by Joseph on November 28, 2009 at 9:02 am

David, what on earth are you doing taking this Green Frenzy so seriously? The facts on global warming are highly disputed by scientists and even if there is any global warming (and the consensus now seems to be that there isn’t) there is absolutely no indication whatsoever that the actions of man have anything to do with it. This whole Save the Planet from Global Warming agenda is an absolute farce and the sooner we conservatives get out of it the better. A recent opinion poll indicates that a hefty majority of the British people DO NOT BELIEVE the panic mongering guff on this issue. Neither should you.

Comment by Dennis Greene on November 28, 2009 at 9:16 am

Just had a truly trite email from Cameron about the Copenhagen summit. I’d be a lot happier if the Tories were putting some serious effort into (a) electoral reform and (b) a proper, written British Constitution and not the dogs’ dinner we currently have. Too much hype.

Comment by Melinda Tilley on November 28, 2009 at 9:21 am

I am assuming then, that my party is totally ignoring the fraud eminating from the Hadley/Cru Centre. We are also prepared to lie to people to get their vote. 92% of people in this Country think they are being misled about Climate Change. It is time for us to tell the truth.

Comment by John Smith on November 28, 2009 at 9:30 am

Dear David. Get some real policies to get us out of the Blair/Brown mess. The real problems globally are overpopulation and preeure it puts on resources. Nationaly we need to reduce the overmanned. overpaid, overpensioned , underworked, grossly inefficient public sector. Halt immigration get rid of illegal immigrants, reduce taxation on harworking families, get rid of pettyfogging laws and restrictions introduced by the present bunch of incompetents in power, and with it some of the more nonsensical H&S regulations. The EU was voted for only as a free trade bloc and not a federal system, if we can’t opt out of this lets get rid of 33% of our MP’s as they seem to do little of value anyway. You might then win an election.

Comment by Charles on November 28, 2009 at 9:31 am

Copenhagen is a ridiculous gathering of Politicians fiddling while Rome burns. Occupying them selves with unimportant matters and neglecting priorities during an ever-deepening crisis in Britain? We are in an awful state but Politicians are in denial of the real problem, namely the EU. The small business sector and the manufacturing heartland have been killed. Politicians will not face the fact that membership of the EU has been ruinous. Ask any fisherman what the CFP has done to them and the supporting industries. The same goes for the insane CAP that only benefit the Franco/German alliance, the greed and corruption of the EU no’s no bounds, and we are paying through the nose for our own destruction, so wake up to the facts and do something

Comment by C Nicholson on November 28, 2009 at 9:37 am

So-called Climate Change is a myth. It is being used to extract taxes and to exert control over the nation. The Conservatives should ditch this pronto. I would never vote for the Conservative Party while they continue to puruse a dangerous Green agenda.

Comment by Peter J Orchard on November 28, 2009 at 9:52 am

Dear David,
The Earth is still recovering from the last “Ice age” and the truth is, we do not know what the correct temperature of the Earth should be.
Cutting down the rain forests are more of a problem than the nasty motorist and his co2 gases. Regrettably you have jumped on the Labour bandwaggon of scaremongering, and will no boubt, if elected ready to tax us even more.
Question how does paying a “Green Tax” stop global warming ?

Comment by Chris Burmajster on November 28, 2009 at 10:01 am

I believe that man made global warming is a con. An excuse to burden the public with yet more taxes, controls and restrictions. Apparently, the majority of the British public think the same. That’s an awful lot of potential votes…….

Comment by Dr Louis Vydelingum on November 28, 2009 at 10:08 am

I cannot understand as to why the conservatives are listening to the Labour party about humans being responsible for climate change. It is only a computer projection and as such is not scientific, but politicians agenda is to use that to tax us in this country to the hilt and as such I do not think that I am giving my vote to your party. Please read about the real scientists who have been saying yes there is CC but humans are not responsible. Politicians are controlling people by creating a notion of gloom and doom and frightening the ordinary people and thereby controlling them.

Comment by Jeremy Browne on November 28, 2009 at 10:13 am

Dear Mr Cameroun
I hope you read these blogs! Everyone has a right to be sceptical when the data has been massaged to suit an argument. Environment is important when it comes to recycling – that I can live with. However, wind farms ruin the landscape, are noisy, are inefficient, are expensive and have to have a back up power generating source when there is no wind! The data worth paying attention to is this massive debt left us by this Labour Government. We will end up as a tiny power with no world influence! Now that is serious……

Comment by Mark Barber on November 28, 2009 at 10:15 am

I, together with a great number of my colleagues, believe the global warming threat is overstated and our response including David Cameron’s is wrong.

Who do I vote for at the next election?

Comment by thescouselander on November 28, 2009 at 10:18 am

Sorry Dave, everyone has long suspected there was something dodgy about climate change. Now we have the leak of emails from the CRU which goes some way to proving our suspicions. Do the right thing and call for an inquiry into the CRU incident.

Also lets try and take a cooler and more rational look at climate change.

Until this happens you wont be getting my vote!

Comment by William Barry Lindon on November 28, 2009 at 10:18 am

0.035% is the quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere Temperature change since 2000 is NONE The more CO2 the more plants grow and the more CO2 they EAT
Please get the FACTS yourself Find out the change in CO2 and the change in Temperature over the past 10 years before you reduce England to a bankrupt 3rd world country while others thrive Please get the FACTS that can be proved

Comment by lewis beattie on November 28, 2009 at 10:19 am

David/Team,
Pay attention to these blogs or you will have a hung parliament.

Comment by Dr John Ferguson on November 28, 2009 at 10:21 am

The total contribution to the atmosphere of CO2 by human activities since the beginning of he Industrial Revolution is 0.0011%. The primary source of greenhouse activity is water vapour and it constitutes 96% of this activity. The CO2 produced by humans is a miniscule fraction of the CO2 produced naturally. No one has demonstrated that the change in climate is driven in any measurable way by the CO2 produced by human activities. The IPCC agenda is driven by about a 10-20 individuals, some of whom have made a fortune from their scare stories. A list of 450 peer reviewed papers, produced mainly this century, has just been compiled which question the assumption that that human activity drives climate change. Over 31000 scientists have signed a petition which affirms that climate change is not anthropogenic. The UK Climatic Research Unit is a primary source of information for the IPCC and the recently released e-mails and program notes shows just how flawed the data is and the truly shocking lengths these people will go to get any contrary evidence suppressed. People like Miliband say that “climate change has started” without apparently realising that climate change has been going on for billions of years. Copenhagen is like King Canute going through the motions of stopping the tides. When are the politicians going to cotton on to the biggest scam in history and the hidden agenda of those who have been driving the process. I am a scientist who has closely followed the whole sorry story over a number of years and am pleased that the edifice is cracking and crumbling as we watch. Yes let us be more efficient in our use of energy, yes let us encourage better insulation, yes let us work to reduce pollution but, oh dear, the way this is being driven is an utter scandal.

Comment by PHILIP DUNN on November 28, 2009 at 10:23 am

If Torys still do not believe that climate change is con please check out the New Zealand temperature site and also this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp4sMasX-_8

Please end this madness

Comment by Sue Hammler on November 28, 2009 at 10:25 am

There is a lot of unrest amongst Tory supporters, particularly in the north-east, where, because of the constituency boundaries, they feel their vote is wasted. I for one am in the Sedgefield constituency even though my local council is Darlington, and in the area in which I live a lot of people are Tory. Yet, because we are grouped in with labour stronghold Sedgefield, our votes are lost. The Conservatives need to pledge to adjust constituencies so that democracy can be shown to work.

Comment by Edie on November 28, 2009 at 10:26 am

There are far more important things for you to be concerning yourself with. If you don’t start to look more different to New Labour you will not win the next election. Lots of moderate Tories are considering either not voting or voting for UKIP in protest. I am a scientist and I am fairly sceptical about the Global Warming message. It is more about controlling people taxing them and maintaining an industry than anything else. I don’t think we should pollute but this is extreme. Just to let you know students and pupils in schools are becoming very cynical about all this because it is everywhere in the curriculum and they have had enough of hearing about it. They can see how one-sided the ‘debate’ is.
You need to focus on sorting out our relationship with the EU as this is going to affect us far moe. Also the mess that is our economy and the appalling waste in NHS and schools.

Comment by Adrian Murray-Leonard on November 28, 2009 at 10:29 am

Dear David,
I am sorry to say that i totally agree with some of the replies that you have recieved,i think that we have more pressing issues to deal with,rather than getting dragged along with the believes of some tree hugging lefties that think that they can fleece us for more taxes.
DONT GO DOWN THAT ROAD DAVID, PEOPLE ARE FED UP WITH HEARING ABOUT IT.

Comment by Keith Snailham on November 28, 2009 at 10:29 am

The environment meeting to be held in Denmark was preceded by meetings in Brussels, Barcelona, St. Andrews and Trinidad. to my knowledge. These meetings no doubt involved large numbers of men in suits criss-crossing the globe to hold meetings about meetings. This, of course, involves massive expense and carbon expenditure preparing for a meeting which will probably have a fudge of an outcome. If the Conservatives do come to power, I hope they will become much more interested in video conferencing!

Comment by Richard Burton on November 28, 2009 at 10:29 am

In response to a few comemnts…

Britain is not responsible for just 2% of CO2. British businesses operating overseas account for significant emissions. Anglo-Dutch owned Shell alone has emissions that exceed that of many countries. Anthropogenic enhanced global warming is caused by CO2 released since the start of the industrial revolution (c1800). CO2 released in 1850 still accounts for warming. The UK’s collective historic emissions make it the 4th biggest polluter. On a per capita cumulative historic basis we’re 2nd after the USA.
As for the CRU e-mail, read a little about how temperatures are calculated. Phil Jones (CRU) was refrring to anomolies in tree ring data, which would have over-estimated the temperature increase; and problems caused by using buckets to gather sea surface temperatures in the 1960s. His e-mail (if you read it) says he’s hidden data to show the real figures. He doesn’t say he’s hidden the real figures.
Natural climatic variation is caused by variations in Earth’s orbit, sunspot activity, El Nino, techtonic changes, and volcanic activity. Orbital ‘Milankovic’ cycles work on a 10,000, 40,000 and 140,000 basis, and cannot account for the present rapid warming. Sunspot activity all but disappeared recently, and man-made CO2 emissions exceed volcanic activity on an order of magnitude. Climate scientists use something called isotope analysis to date CO2 – in effect they know the origin of the CO2 is from coal.

All models from CRU and other climateic institute have been peer reviewed and scrutinised for years. Yet there is no significant diagareement from statistians or scientists; more so from ex-Chancellors, Top-Gear presenters, a few maverick journalists and bloggers. Who on earth do you think those who control the world’s economies listen to? Lord Stern or Jermey Clarkson?

I work in environmental management and studied climate science at university. I talk to scientists, environmental consultants and environmental managers. You’ll find that the vast majority who are informed believe the science. By the way, I’ve no links with the UEA’s CRU.

Comment by Johannus Fier on November 28, 2009 at 10:34 am

The leaked data from the CRU at UEA have exposed AGW as a lie. The Conservative Party should take note, show leadership and quickly get off the Copenhagen bandwagon.

The Copenhagen Summit is NOT of historic importance. It’s a boondoggle.

Comment by John on November 28, 2009 at 10:38 am

This incomprehensible dedication to the entirely discredited hypothesis of Anthropogenic Global Warming by the current leadership of the Conservative party shows just what a poor leadership it really is. Ask real politicians like Nigel Lawson and Peter Lilley and get a proper perspective.
For crying out loud, show some intelligence and backbone.
AGW is neither credible nor important. Please concentrate on those things which are important!
As other contributors have suggested, my vote too will go to the party treating this phoney issue with the contempt it deserves.

Comment by Arnold Whittle on November 28, 2009 at 10:42 am

Dear David, the summit on climate change in Copenhagen will achieve nothing, if it cannot change the attitude of the world’s population, to the constant consumption of ever more products and product developement,we need to put a limit on ever increasing demand for gadgets. The Worlds resources cannot sustain the demands placed on it and we will eventually have to pay the price for our greed, this week we has seen the floods in Cumbria and the people having to live in alternative rented properties because of natural events, these flood are ever more a feature of the World we are now living in and it is carbon burn that is causing this to happen.

Comment by Derek Buxton on November 28, 2009 at 11:21 am

Can we please have some sense from you, climate changes, it is natural and you cannot do a thing about it. CO2 is not a pollutant, it is a requirement for all plant life and hence ours. The “science” is not fixed except in the sense of being fiddled. The whole thing is a gigantic fraud to steal ever more of our money. Stand up for once and stop the thing in it’s tracks

Comment by thomas brown on November 28, 2009 at 11:24 am

Its not looking too good. Another Cameron announcement and another blue blog full of conservatives who disagree. The New Labour zealots must be laughing their jack boots off. Mr Cameron – concentrate on getting rid of Harman, Balls, Straw and the rest of those who would take away everything we have.

Comment by Christopher Thorne on November 28, 2009 at 11:35 am

David Cameron: Sir, I hope in the rush to be politically correct and up to date with the control of carbon, etc, I do hope you notice that the French have started the process to destroy the London Financial Banking centre, and will succeed unless the Conservatives get stuck in and stop them. PLEASE change your mind and get us out of this dreadful EU ASAP. IWE do all the paying and everyone else gets the cherries. Its a CON.

Comment by Paul Biggs on November 28, 2009 at 11:37 am

Copenhagen? Historic stupidity that has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with UN global governance and taxation. Another treaty that shouldn’t be signed without a referendum of the British people. Please Mr Cameron open your eyes and ears to the UEA/CRU emails released by a public spirited whistle blower.

Comment by Roy Chamberlain on November 28, 2009 at 11:41 am

The comment by Tony Silver on November 28, 2009 at 8:52 am :- just about sums up the problem. its all about tax and profits for those jumping on the stupid “Carbon Credits” bandwagon. NEVER has there been a more useless idea and a bigger money making scam than Carbon Credits. Useless waste of time, money and vaulable resources.
The funded bandwagon rolls on and on and on !
PS To all conributors to these pages. NO ONE FROM THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY GIVES A FIG ABOUT OUR OPINION. Total and utter contempt for the voters that they cannot even be bothered to post a basic acknowledgment. At their peril when election time comes and people like me, Conservative voter for 40 years vote for another party.
I was convinced a few months ago but now I have never been more determined to ditch this leadership. (even if the unthinkable is to have Brown and his useless Government in for another term)
I just hope those people at Central office dont blame the voters when they loose the next election. MAYBE they will then want to talk to the real Conservatives who bother to contribute to this website. Although they are so high and mighty I doubt it even then.

Comment by Sue Metcalf on November 28, 2009 at 11:42 am

I don’t have a website, but the one mentioned belongs to a friend so please have a look.

I am one of those who have, sadly, taken at face value those forecasts about global warming, ozone layer etc. It has taken the emails on this site to open my eyes, and quite frankly I am appalled that there has been so much hype when apparently it can be proved that it’s a myth. I find it frightening that so many milliions of people, myself as one of them, fell for this hook line and sinker. I agree that David C should take the lead in this and refute all the allegations, despite the fact that there are those, who will be very upset. It is only a couple of years ago I recall, that America was refusing point blank to get involved in discussions about this. Surely in this day and age there should be irrefutable proof that it does or conversely does NOT exist and we can move forward accordingly.

Comment by Richard Burton on November 28, 2009 at 12:01 pm

Derek Buxton states CO2 is not a pollutant. It depend on concentrations. Water is not harmful in moderation, but you can also drown.

The Permian Mass extinction demonstarted what happens when CO2 reaches 6 degrees above current levels. Current CO2 levels are beyond the range of natural variation. +4 degrees is beyond that experienced in 17 million years of human evolution.

As for taxation, the Climate Change Levy is revenue neutral for businesses (Corporation Tax reduced) and the Climate Change Levy returns no net flow to the Treasury.

What taxes are you all referring to? Recent fiscal policy reviews recommend taxing societal and environmental ‘bads’ such as pollution, involving a net transfer from taxed ‘goods’

Comment by Bernard Hunt on November 28, 2009 at 12:06 pm

DAVID

I agree with the comments about the negligible effects of man made CO2 on the environment and the extent to which CO2 is the culprit anyway

Will you stop following this political vote winning bad wagon ..

I am a scientist and an engineer (How many in your circle of friends> or in your shadow cabinet.?)

Point 1 we make 2% of the world’s CO2, but it’s good politics to pretend CO2 is the issue and tax accrdingly. Nice one Alastair, Vinc and George.

Point 2 Read the learned journels and PLEASE realise that the culprit is METHANE from animals, human beings and the decay of our waste products.

For goodness sake stop making a fool of yourself and the electorate and stop following
blind world opinion.

You will not get my vote for spouting such clap trap

Bernard

Comment by Jane on November 28, 2009 at 12:08 pm

I don’t really want any more vouchers. I recycle everything the Council chooses to take. What we need is someone to jump on the Councils and make THEM recycle more or if they won’t, or can’t, then force a levy on any packaging products which cannot be recycled. Sorted !!

Comment by Malcolm on November 28, 2009 at 12:20 pm

Fortunately I’m sure Mr. Cameron will take his advice from relevant scientists rather than the selfish denialists. We can’t live in the past forever and must move forward now.

Comment by Roy Gibson on November 28, 2009 at 12:23 pm

Climate change is an important issue but we should not ignore the scientific evidence which does not support the claim that it is all down to our burning of fossil fuels. Some of the ‘green schemes’ are expensive and of doubtful reliability, wind being a good example.

Comment by Jack on November 28, 2009 at 12:27 pm

I agree with comments saying that ‘Climate Change’ is merely a vehicle for excessive taxation, and that our emissions pose no real threat to the environment.

Bernard Hunt misses the mark slightly in saying that we “make 2% of the world’s CO2″. We (Britain) only cause 2% of MAN-MADE CO2, and man made CO2 is only a minuscule percentage of the total CO2 emitted (for example volcanoes, the flatulence of animals, etc). And anyway – CO2 is beneficial for life, not endangering to it!

Also Dave, why no mention of the dubious East Anglia Climate Research Centre emails? Could it not be that they expose the Greens for what they are – liars?

You WILL NOT get my vote for this climate nonsense, you will NOT get my vote for your pathetically weak stance on Europe, and you will NOT get my vote for politically correct idiocy like attending ‘pride’ events.

Comment by lorraine on November 28, 2009 at 12:44 pm

There are other, huge problems facing the earth which are definately man-made – and most of these problems are caused by SCIENCE!

The world is awash with oestrogen – male fish in the Atlantic are developing female characteristics and will be unable to reproduce. This is extremely alarming, but are they discussing it? NO. Worldwide, hundreds of millions of women take the Pill, and all this oestrogen flushes down the lavatory and makes its way to the sea. Oestrogen is present in many plastic products too. The mountains of ‘disposable’ nappies with their non-bio-degradeable plastic covers grow ever higher, presenting further huge problems for the future.

They should look at the amount of highly toxic chemical cleaning products in every home, again, all ending up in the sea! I do a lot of cleaning with vinegar – great for cleaning windows etc., and many other natural products are often more effective than chemicals. But do they mention these poisons? NO.

Look at the horrendous amount of chemicals put into the soil – and the determination of the bio-tech industry to force GM crops on us. Organic farming is the only method which doesn’t poison the soil and threaten the earth’s fragile eco-systems, but there’s no fortune to be made by Monsanto and the other conglomerates in that. But do they talk about that? NO.

What about massive de-forestation around the globe? These huge (but shrinking) rain-forests are the lungs of the world, producing oxygen, absorbing CO2, and are home to many other species which are now being wiped out. Not mentioned, or barely.

Natural remedies? Well, subject to new directives, many of these are about to be banned by the EU. Why? Pressure from the global Pharmaceutical industry.

My point is that the Bio-tech and Pharmaceutical Industries are poisoning our earth at a staggering rate, but this is all about MONEY! How many shares do politicians, governments, banks etc etc hold in these vast industries? They have massive and inappropriate influence in all governments.

They bang on about global-warming – oops, no, it’s called climate-change now because to their dismay they’ve found the earth isn’t warming as much as they’d like!

The agenda is always about MONEY and POWER! They can make huge profits from this scam via the taxpayer, but they are also making huge profits via the industries described above, so they remain silent about the poisoning of the planet with toxic chemicals.

Some people believe the Swine-flu virus was made in a laboratory, for the profits of the pharmaceutical industry! Well, why not? There’s no profit to be made from a healthy population!

This world, all governments and most of the scientists who work for them are corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. If some check is not put on science, it will kill us all in the end.

When they halt plans for the third runway, when they use video-link instead of flying en masse to their hot-air-and-huge-banquetting ‘conferences’, when they talk about all the issues above described, and the harm being done to the environment for the world’s other species, then we might give them half an ear perhaps.

By the way, what makes anyone think CMD reads these comments? If he did he might notice how he’s losing the Tory vote, and there’s no sign of that! He’s reached the bottom, and he’s still digging!

Comment by Jim Good on November 28, 2009 at 12:45 pm

I’m with Jack:

You WILL NOT get my vote for this climate nonsense, you will NOT get my vote for your pathetically weak stance on Europe, and you will NOT get my vote for politically correct idiocy like attending ‘pride’ events.

Comment by John on November 28, 2009 at 12:46 pm

The amount of hot air generated by politicians talking about climate change is probably responsible for the melting of the arctic ice cap.

I would be more interested if Mr. Cameron would address issues that are of relevance in the real world, namely Afghanistan, The Eu, immigration, the NHS, crime and pensioner poverty.

Comment by Kerry Sian Ballard on November 28, 2009 at 12:56 pm

Thank goodness we have the common sense approach of David Cameron & his team!

I’m not a rocket scientist, but it’s fairly obvious to me the world faces some very serious issues, that everyone wants to make a point about, yet few do anything to bring to the table practical and proper solutions.

David Cameron will help push forward sensible solutions because he’s prepared to listen to the best advice possible. The Conservative Party will not only help get the country out of the mess that labour have created (once again), but spearhead justified measures to protect OUR environment!

It’s a great pity we have to wait another six months for David Cameron & the Shadow Cabinet to lead the way!

Comment by Richard Burton on November 28, 2009 at 1:01 pm

Here’s an alternative viewpoint to this lively discussion about CRU e-mails. George Monbiot’s opinion on climate is well respected by many, even if he does choose to amke it known via the Guardian!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/nov/25/monbiot-climate-leak-crisis-response

Comment by Bernard Hunt on November 28, 2009 at 1:06 pm

Thanks to previous contributor who corrected my message, that the UK contributes only 2% to the world’s MAN MADE CO2 and that is in itself, only a very small part of the world’s TOTAL CO2 emissions. So forget about it here and now.

Peter Wilman (contributor) is spot on, why don’t politicians listen to the scientists and engineers. They can deceive the electorate but they cannot escape the fundamental laws of thermodynamics.

John Smith (contributor) was spot on. Get on with the REAL issues.

David, take notice of what’s in this blog. It’s very serious and you could easily lose the next election because you are coming across as feeble, un-focussed, out of your depth and unable to grasp the real issues.

Your message displays a flaw in your comprehension of what’s really bothering the electorate, for God’s sake stop chasing shadows and making an issue out of nothing.

I hope there is a UKIP candidate up here

Bernard Hunt

Comment by Mike Crowley on November 28, 2009 at 1:32 pm

A more sensible result would have been to set up a proper research into whether there is any man-made GW.

Comment by Alan Haywood on November 28, 2009 at 2:11 pm

I totally concurr with Bernard Hunt. Mr Cameron, you have lost the plot, if indeed you ever had it in the first place.
The ammount of ammunition, presented to you, with which to destroy the credibility of this deplorable government, has been overwhelming. Sadly, on a personal level, you have not so much as made a dent. The situation is so dire in this country, that if the leader was Mr Blobby, the party would still be ahead in the polls.
I have been a lifelong Conservative supporter, but no longer David. As Maggie would put it…you are far too wet for me.
I want my Conservative leader to demonstrate his true conservative credentials, and the cajonas to carry them out.
Ignore these posts at your peril David. We are angry, very angry at the lack of representation we are getting.

Comment by Dr Phillip Bratby on November 28, 2009 at 2:13 pm

I have read the comments so far, and speaking as a scientist/engineer, I agree with most of the comments, especially those of other scientists/engineers.

AGW is a scam, the EU is a scam and the only hope for the mess this country is in is to stop the climate change nonsense and get out of the EU. There is no doubt in my mind that the Conservatives will lose the next election unless they come to their senses. UKIP will gain vast numbers of Tory voters.

The only person here who seems to disagree with the rest of us is Richard Burton who “works in environmental management and studied climate science at university. I talk to scientists, environmental consultants and environmental managers.” So he has a big vested interest in promoting the scam.

I have to admit that “climate science” did not exist when I was at university. The new industry of “climate science” is a new phenomenon. The climate is driven by the laws of physics, so unless “climate scientists” are physicists, then their work cannot be trusted. That is the main trouble; most of these people have not studied physics, but something cuddly and green.

David: get real and listen to the voters.

Comment by Sean on November 28, 2009 at 2:49 pm

It’s really encouraging to see such unanimity of opinion here. Listening to the mass media you sometimes wonder if you’re alone in knowing right from wrong and true from false.

I recognise that David Cameron must appeal to the mass of voters but if he can’t demonstrate some leadership on this issue and come to the defence of the truth against this whole enormous scam, now that we have clear evidence of it, not only in the emails but in the data itself, rather than just following the prevailing wind, he doesn’t deserve our support. And I hope to God he doesn’t get it. What’s the point of winning votes on a pack of lies? Surely you should stand for what’s right and bring people to your point of view. Otherwise what’s the point of having a Conservative Party?

What kind of man is Cameron? If the comments on this blog are anything to go by, and I believe they represent the mass of British opinion, the silent majority perhaps, certainly not one of us. Him and his Notting Hill mates need to wake up to the world beyond their metropolitan bubble. So far as I can see the political and media classes have their own interests which are way out of step with the people they ostensibly exist to serve. Something must give. People have had enough of being lied to.

Comment by Tony Garrett on November 28, 2009 at 3:09 pm

I work in the offshore survey industry so I know that the world is not short of oil but what I am concirned about is the rate that the polar ice caps are melting and if the gulf stream should change direction which it could well do in this century then climate change will be drastic for the human race as the change in oceanic currents will change the face of the earth as we know it this will cause massive sunamis earthquakes and volcanoes to happen all over the planet. This is not fiction this is fact as any geologist will tell you. So what are the concervatives doing to help prevent the above.

Comment by Tommy Bech on November 28, 2009 at 3:09 pm

We must all take the climate changes seriously because it`s the must serious challenge in modern times. As an Norwegian with education from an British University I belive that we together can make an difference at the challenge. As conservatives we must stand firm and show the world that we also are engaged in the enviromental challenges.

Comment by roy on November 28, 2009 at 3:15 pm

Earth has a very long history of climate change-
Sometimes it destroys or rearranges the biosphere til life returns. If we are in an undetected solar cycle where radical changes are coming, nature will do its thing. If we are in Solar cycle or flux and heating caused by man’s emissions-cutting will do very little good unless the radical way of living changes and follows. Pussyfooting is a waste of time.
Apart from that-what is needed may damage economies and if it does not our endevours will make no difference.

Comment by john bailey on November 28, 2009 at 3:32 pm

climate change if it is true has been caused by all the atomic bombs that have been used or tested by all states that have the facilty

Comment by john bailey on November 28, 2009 at 3:53 pm

Oh David I forgot to tell you that you have lost my vote if you keep quiete about immigration. ande if you keep us in the EU the Germans did not defeat us… the French did not defeat us…and the Spanish did not defeat us at6 WAR but they have done it NOW.

Comment by Allan Spivey on November 28, 2009 at 3:53 pm

I have for sometime now not even bothered reading your missives,Dave,come back to have another look at your outpourings.Sad to have to say,that i am in total agreement with the majority of replies.seriously ,
are you interested in forming the next government? The frighteningly high levels of debt now consuming all of us,and you politicians blathering on as though there are no problems here at home,are we missing something?

Comment by J.O’Donnell on November 28, 2009 at 4:03 pm

The summit is just an excuse for taxing us more.Why should we give any more of our money to the corrupt thirld world when our own country is in a such a mess financially.The Conservatives should be more concerned with reducing our yearly contributions to the un-elected EU,pensions at home,reducing the financial debt that has been run up by Mr.Brown (also un-elected),less red tape.Unless the Conservatives make it clear that they are going to clear up the EU,I would rather vote UKIP

Comment by Geoff on November 28, 2009 at 4:07 pm

Glad to see more and more Conservative voters are seeing Cameron for the Liberal fraud he really is.God only knows how Tory members ever voted for him.
Bet most now wish they could have David Davis,at least he gives the impression of being an actual Tory.
Still I imagine Cameron is popular with the UKIP high command,as he has to be their best recruitment agent ever.

Comment by G Farley on November 28, 2009 at 4:15 pm

If all the leaders of the World and their large staff stayed at home and sorted out their own Country this would be a great help to save the planet and it may save their own countries. Its obscene when they have conferences to discuss food poverty in poor countries then consume so much food at various banquets, this alone is not good for the planet when you think about the amount of flatulence caused by this excessive eating
We must stop all this flying around the world by our politicians as a lot of it is to make them feel important and does nothing for us
Mr Cameron I am still waiting for a reply to letter sent to you on 9 November about the number of Troops sent to Afghanistan from other NATO countries and how many have been killed or injured THIS IS something that concerns many of us

Comment by malcolm chapman on November 28, 2009 at 4:29 pm

Having a son at UEA who was talking about global warming years ago I still come out on the side of those who believe nothing of this nonsense.
We know that there is no proof. What there is is money. research global warming and your rich in offers of financial support. Talk it down and no money will come your way.
Those with a memory will remember not all that long ago the same scientists said we were heading for another ice age. The results always go where the money is.
It has always benn my habit when results of any enquiry come out to look at the source of finance for that research. Surprisingly the results follow the money virtually without exception.
I have nothing against being frugal with our air pollution but memory recalls when we were like China with smogs galore. How was it we did not have global warning then.
We know its a con. Look at all the people saying so including Conservative MPs. We should not be ignored.
You can lose so much support unless you change your attitude.

Comment by Margita on November 28, 2009 at 4:31 pm

When I hear ‘climate change’ I just cringe!!!!! The top bods will have a lovely time in Copenhagen – how much CO2 will they produce? Tories will not get my vote under these greenies and eurofiles – I’m voting UKIP!

Comment by David Stevens on November 28, 2009 at 4:36 pm

My brother in law knows a scientist who works at the East Anglian University. He states the average world temperature has not increased in the last 9 years and is less now than it was in the sixties. Global warming is bullshit.

Comment by M Cook on November 28, 2009 at 5:04 pm

Just the leadership needed here well done!
Michael.

Comment by Edie on November 28, 2009 at 5:06 pm

David this is a disaster for you. I hope you read these blogs. The people posting here are Conseratives or potential Conservatives. People interested in the other two main parties won’t bother participating in this. There isn’t a single message in support of your policies here. Be worried and think hard about what really matters. It will be unbearable if Labour get in again but then if you do at the moment it won’t make much difference. I am desperate to vote Conservative please give me a reason at the moment I won’t vote for you!

Comment by ian wragg on November 28, 2009 at 5:13 pm

Talking your usual rubbish, climate change is a con as you well know and covering the land with windmills is stupid.
Just a method of increasing taxes. What are you going to do when we have a mini ice age and all your windmills are frozen, Drax, Eggborough and Ferrybridge shut down by you precious EU. Sorry, the answer to that is nothing as you blew your chance over Lisbon.
TOSSER

Comment by Mary Westcott-Young on November 28, 2009 at 5:17 pm

It was wamer in medieval times than now. The whole Global Warming issue is a load of bol. Please don’t let Labour tamper with the Act of Succession, there are more important issues to be faced. WE NEED A GENERAL ELECTION BEFORE LABOUR COMPLETELY DISMANTLE THE UK AND PARTICULARLY ENGLAND.

Comment by Ray Guess on November 28, 2009 at 5:22 pm

I hoped the the Conservatives would not be converted to the green religion of Climate Change. Sure the earth climate changes, it has changed many times over the existance of the planet and at no time has it been proved that CO2 is a contributory factor. We delude ouselves if we think that we can effect climate change, instead we should plan to deal with the changes when they arise.

Comment by russ on November 28, 2009 at 5:27 pm

dave, gorgon has out manouvered you yet again with his conference on afghanistan, lets have some hard policies that you stick to for once, start with one on quiting the eu, this should take place just after we quit afghanistan

Comment by Jean Annette on November 28, 2009 at 5:28 pm

Thank you Dave for update.
I am 100% with you for your policies re
climate change.

Comment by Val Duncan on November 28, 2009 at 7:44 pm

Oh what a surprise, first they are into EU now the climate change rip-off.
Parliament
Sung to the tune of Little Boxes.

Little MPs, little MPs
Sitting in our Parl-ee-ment
And they’re all made out of
Ticky-tacky
And the all lie just the same.

Little red ones, little blue ones
Even little yellow ones
And they’re all made out of
Tick-tacky
And they all lie just the same.

And they all bow
To the Flag Pole
Of the EU
Dicky-tatta-ship
And they all hide in the pig trough
That’s the one place
They feel safe.

When the MPS, little MPs
Go to the Tower of
Lond-ee-on
We will have a
Celebration
And we’ll call it
Traitors Day.

We will beat them
With Magna Carta
And whip them with
Our Bill of Rights
To remind them we are
British
And we’ll bl**dy well
Stay that way

And we are not morons either, we well know this is all about taxes… more taxes… and still more taxes!

Comment by FRONTERAMAN on November 28, 2009 at 8:52 pm

Listen to what the majority of the above potential voters are saying David. If you want to make a real name for yourselves then stay away from the climate change summit. There are far more important issues at home to deal with.
Re-cyling taxation should be imposed on the worse contributors of rubbish i.e. the giant supermarket chains, not the local councils. Individuals can take part by dumping all the supermarket packaging back in their car parks next time you visit.
Energy issues in the country need to be concentrated on secruity of supply, this will mean re-nationalisation of the entire networks for Gas and electricity. Therfore ridding the country of the French and German owned companies who are trying to obtain a major influence over our energy in order to hold us to ransom in the future.
In order to offer some protection to the planet force the oil company giants to stop oil exploration in rain forests etc and to financialy support our universities in developing minature nuclear power packs to be fitted to individual houses and business.
Finally
bring home our troops
get us out of Europe and closer to the US
dump the debt ridden and corrupt banks and support the old school building societies

Dont blow your chance David

Comment by Dave,Edinburgh on November 28, 2009 at 9:14 pm

“In nine days time, representatives from 192 countries will meet in Copenhagen for the UN Conference on climate change. This summit is of historic importance. It is an opportunity for the world to take bold action to deal with the real danger of climate change”

DAVID CAMERON, How can you write this garbage,

Are you not aware of Climategate, where the UK CRU has been exposed for it’s part in the Global Warming hoax?

Are you not aware that Dr Mike Hulme, a climate scientist at the University of East Anglia, the UK CRU at the centre of the scandal suggests that the UN IPCC has has run its course…politicizes climate science…authoritarian, exclusive form of knowledge production.

Are you not aware that because of the manipulation of data with the intent to decieve, NOTHING said or promoted by the UN IPCC, NASA, GISS, The UK MET Office,HADLEY, the HADCrut data the UK CRU or the University of East Anglia has ANY SCIENTIFIC VALUE WHATSOEVER.

Are you not aware that The whole theory of Man Made Climate Change has been exposed as the biggest CON perpetrated on the public by politicians EVER AT ANY TIME IN HISTORY.

Are you not aware that because of this scandal FIVE front bench politicians in the Australian government HAVE RESIGNED IN DISGUST.

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON YOU, and all your kind, who intend to inflict this nonsense on the people you pretend to represent.

The thousands who previously had seen through the scam are now numbered in millions worldwide, there must be no escape for the LIARS who perpetrated this scam, all those involved should stand trial for their part in the hoax.

ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT ?, NO CHANCE, Forget it, The Scam is OVER. STOP THE WAFFLE AND TELL THE PEOPLE THE TRUTH.

You can only hope that they may forgive you enough that they may allow you to participate in future government going forward. Otherwise, Do the right thing and RESIGN.

Comment by leon fenton on November 28, 2009 at 9:18 pm

if you insist on jumping on the climate change wagon then its goodbye from me ,its a myth designed by lentil eating, bearded, sandal wearing assholes,aided and abetted by the government,how come all this crap about climate change comes from so called experts paid with government grants to give the government the answers they want to hear so they can tax us even more,yet other experts with no government agenda to kowtow to tell us its a natural cycle ?.

Comment by Stuart Livett on November 28, 2009 at 9:24 pm

Mr Cameron,

If you really believe in leadership then you need to take a leadership stand against this fraudulent notion of man made climate change. It is a complete nonsense to suppose that Planet Earth is hurtling towards a climate driven Armageddon based upon 100 years of selective industrialisation. How can you consider yourself a Conservative whilst at the same time prescribing to a tax led solution to climate change?!
Enough is enough, Britain and Britsh Sovereignty is already being compromised in Europe and this UN climate conference is simply a tactic to further the interests of certain groups that seek global goverance. This issue will not just go away so I suggest you reassess your position and prove your leadership claim by standing out from the crowd and deliver to reason!

Comment by C.R.Guthrie on November 28, 2009 at 9:58 pm

Mr.Cameron I would prefer to see you dealing really important issues ie.The Eu ,the crooked MP`s(we have not forgotten them),Browns Labour that at this rate will get back into power and then God help us.Please,please show some positive leadership and keep you word and do something!!

Comment by Jack on November 29, 2009 at 12:10 am

Dave, I really hope you’re reading these comments, and that you are enveloped in a cold sweat.

Only a COMPLETE U-turn on this climate nonsense, and a bit of backbone when it comes to Europe will get you our votes.

If not, the best you can hope for is a hung parliament come June. We, the people, are getting very, very tired…

Comment by Ken Newbury on November 29, 2009 at 3:28 am

My main post has been totally ignored and NOT posted.
Who is running this website?
Where are the true Tories.
Mr Cameron, you have and are still, deceiving your fellow conservatives. It is now totally clear to all that you are talking absolute bullshit re; climate/change.
Worse, the people thought they had found a leader of substance, another Thatcher or Churchill maybe?
Ha…, some chance.
You should get out now and go play with your Uni pals in Notting Hill.
You are nothing but a liar and are now betraying your own party members.
WE WANT A REFERENDUM ON LISBON AND WE WANT IT NOW….NOW!!!!!!!
GET US OUT OF THE EU, LISTEN TO YOUR PARTY FOLLOWERS.
I AM JOINING UKIP TODAY.
THIS PARTY IS MADE UP OF TOTAL TOSSERS AND YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO US ALL!!!!!!

Comment by Ken Newbury on November 29, 2009 at 5:05 am

I would like to add to my 3.28am post.

I have jusr re-read the whole of the comments posted here.
As I read, I am frankly astonished that you are being so complacent Mr Cameron.
Can you not see that we as a body, are sickened and disgusted by your treachery re; OUR PROMISED REFERENDUM ON THE EU and your bullshit talk re;
CLIMATE CHANGE.
Get real…, be a man…, be a Tory.
Failing that, I would like to offer my fellow, old style Tories and friends, this last ray of hope for our country.
http://www.ukip.org/
Thousands of us will be heading there soon David…, you are a disgrace to our party.

Comment by kate on November 29, 2009 at 7:12 am

Can we please stick to the issues and ignore you personal feeling – This Green issue is highly important to me and I feel that it is an ignorant comment to make that its another tax – have you not seen the flooding and the fires the planet IS in DANGER and taking the ‘Im a l right jack’ attitude is pure IGNORANCE I find that we need the green issues’ and whatever issues you have please for my future families please concentrate on saving this planet.

Comment by Raymond Pidgley on November 29, 2009 at 10:23 am

This country will be lost if we do not back the Conservatives, Mandelson as Prime Minister Uuuuuugh

Comment by David Dundas on November 29, 2009 at 11:05 am

Sad David, that you don’t see the real issue; maybe because you don’t have enough scientific knowledge to relaise that nuclear power is the only realistic way to halt the climate change juggernaut? As Patrick Moore says, we have to stop “pi**ing” around. It’s a no-brainer, so why not show that the Conservative party understands and focus policy on building new nuclear power stations as a matter of strategic importance before the lights go out. You may have to educate our anti-science public to get this message across, but leadership is what is needed to do it.

Comment by Dennis Patrick on November 29, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Over many millions of years the proportions of the gases which make up our atmosphere have changed and, for various reasins, but these changes are inferred from various observations which involved geological and life-form information. However, it is entirely reasonable to assume that previous changes have takn place over very large numbers of years.
Therefore, whilst I remain sceptical of some current theories, it is both prudent and essential to halt and reduce drastically without delay, atmospheric contamination which is occurring at an unprecedented rate. This summit must, therefore, produce an immediate and drastic reduction in the contamination process.

Comment by W R Stevenson on November 29, 2009 at 2:41 pm

Global warming is probably vastly exaggerated – but it is still a good idea to reduce our dependency on imported energy and not being too messy in our own backyard!

Comment by john wheeler on November 29, 2009 at 5:57 pm

Every car and aircraft manufacturer is producing leaner cleaner burning vehicles and most reasonably unselfish people are more aware of carbon footprints etc and are doing their bit to be more energy and carbon emission conscious.In 2005 73 percent of all carbon emissions in the Uk resulted from the activities of the top 100 companies in the land.
It therefore stands to reason that the key objectives must be to tackle coal fired power stations and the activities of energy producers and cement manufacturers as the core emitters.This constant barrage of climate propaganda beyong what we can realistically do is now a paranoia and some balance must be brought back to the way the debate has been stolen by climate freaks who have been proved to have diddled the science base on the matter.For Gods sake will our politicians not get sucked into the maze in this respect and start to show some healthy scepticism which Tories are expected to do and only tackle those big issues as i have highlighted above.Stick to a consistent path and stop the paranoia.

Comment by gary powell on November 29, 2009 at 6:52 pm

having skipped through a lot of the preceeding comments i cannot add any more but Mr cameron as one of the repies said get some balls, stand up to the the climate change lobby and stop this nonsense and instead put the money saved into saving this country.I hope after seeing all these coomments you will come back to us with your answer even though you will probably come back with the standard answer that all you shheep like politicians come up with.

Comment by Dave U on November 29, 2009 at 9:23 pm

Trust me you have lost the plot.

You are a light weight politician and we do not need you.

Life long tory supporter

Comment by Kieran Enright on November 30, 2009 at 12:42 am

Comment by Tom Birkert on November 27, 2009 at 8:36 pm

“Would Mr Cameron care to comment on the CRU e-mails leak which shows the entire IPCC is based on flawed and biased science?”

Apparently not, Mr Birkett – which tells me all I need to know in order to make an informed vote at the next election. Always assuming, of course, that the EU don’t decide to scrap all these redundant national parliaments with their new powers, courtesy of the Treaty of Lisbon . . .

Comment by Kieran Enright on November 30, 2009 at 1:10 am

Comment by kate on November 29, 2009 at 7:12 am

“Can we please stick to the issues and ignore you personal feeling – This Green issue is highly important to me and I feel that it is an ignorant comment to make that its another tax – have you not seen the flooding and the fires the planet IS in DANGER and taking the ‘I’m alright jack’ attitude is pure IGNORANCE I find that we need the green issues’ and whatever issues you have please for my future families please concentrate on saving this planet.”

Kate; please believe that protecting the planet is just as important to many of us as it is to you – we simply don’t believe it will be helped by a massive amount of tax being raised and spent in accordance with political decisions rushed through on the basis of ‘scientific’ predictions, which are now proven to have been faked to the point of being meaningless.

Thanks to farmers switching to growing crops for bionic fuel, in accordance with the demands of the AGW lobby, populations in third world countries are already suffering from malnurtrition and starvation. There are many areas in which this money could be far more productively used, with undeniable benefits. The e-mails, the program codes, and the acompanying programming notes have proven beyond doubt that Hadley’s predictions are worthless. Yet Hadley CRU is one of the big four providers of ‘evidence’ to the IPCC, which was instrumental in setting up the terms of the draft Copenhagen agreement!

Furthermore, evidence has emerged that such frauds were carried on, by other contributors to the IPCC in America and New Zealand. Whereas the official NZ line was that NZ temperatures had been climbing for over a century, and that the rate of increase was accelerating, when some independent scientists got hold of the true figures from their weather stations, the readings showed that New Zealand’s temperatures have been stable for the last 150 years!

And yet, on the basis of this travesty of science, Mr Cameron wants to sign us up to an agreement whereby a small group of people, unelected and unaccountable to anyone but themselves, can decide to tax us to a massive degree, and choose where and on what to spend that money. They would also have the legal authority to enforce such payment – even if, on rigorous and independent scientific examination, it turns out that AGW is a fraud from start to finish.

If even a tiny fraction of that money, and political power, was put towards using resources more efficiently, removing trade distortions which starve people in poor countries, cutting avoidable waste, and dealing with such destructive policies as the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy, we could transform the world.

Read the draft of the Copenhagen agreement, Kate; it’s not about caring for the planet – it’s all about power and control.

Comment by Bernard Hunt on November 30, 2009 at 8:31 am

David
David
Unfortunately your office seems to be filtering out any contentious points of view, as my reasoned argument for the weakness in the leadership of the Conservative Party under have not been published.

This of course is exactly the way things went in the 1930′s. Pity you are not old enough nor mature enough to see the signs.

Those who does not study history are doomed to repaet it.

Comment by Chris D on November 30, 2009 at 10:13 am

Some sectors of British society have realised for a long time that the climate could not possibly be affected by the activities of humans, simply by reading up facts and applying that most dreadful of attitudes, common-sense. Those sectors contain intelligent, free-thinking people who prefer the evidence of their own eyes rather than what gets served up in mainstream media.
Dozens and dozens of people have printed their thoughts here on this blog. A future PM worth his salt would look at the comments and take them on board. I fear, however, that the Conservatives have been bought out by the powers behind the “throne”, so to speak, aka Brussels and a few others chucked in for good measure.
This is not about protecting the planet. It is about tax-grabbing. I do not believe that the Conservatives have any intention of pulling away from Europe and its tentacles, either. Voters now have a real Hobson’s Choice amongt the Big 3…..all of em are pro-Europe. The EU is in fact a far far bigger worry than any climate change.
I do not think Mother Nature will be present at Copenhagen, when sixty-something representatives of the world’s nations gather together to legislate against Her. She cares not for the vanity of mankind or his silly laws. Whatever She has in mind, warming or cooling, will go ahead…..with or without mankind’s permission. Just as governments go ahead without ours.

Comment by Sheila Johnson on November 30, 2009 at 10:37 am

I think the Conservative party would also do well to follow Gordon Brown’s example in trying to do something to alieviate world poverty especially in third world nations. This is an area that the Conservatives have not been especially strong on in the past.

Comment by Philip Tilbrook on November 30, 2009 at 10:52 am

David
It’s overpopulation – not global warming that is the problem.

Comment by Mark Hamilton on November 30, 2009 at 11:52 am

There are many comments I would like to support and some that are a little naive in that they believe what they read and not what they see with there own eyes, denial is a fickle thing, when the truth is too horrendous to contemplate.

Yes, taxation is the wrong way to go and using changes to our climate condition as an excuse to tax the populous is wrong; also there are more in depth planet Earth issues that need addressing at Copenhagen, renewable power and guaranteed access to global power resources across boarders, planning changes to global food resources, increased resource recycling and mass population relocation are key issues to climate problems that will affect us all.

Unfortunately climate change is evident and will become more evident, this is only half the problem; as a planet we are ever expanding and the resources ever dwindling, our inability to want to protect resources for future generations, is a product of the selfish currency driven consumer age we live in.

As a planet we all have a responsibility to do something in our own back yard, rewarding people to make the social change that is required, is better than hitting them with a big stick for doing the wrong thing, after all we are a stubborn race.

We will adapt to earths raging reactions to our abuse, with some social change, we might even slow or prevent the eventual and inevitable extinguishing of Earths major resources, already we are engineering wheat only 12 inches tall with double size grain’s ect ect, this is done for a reason, so we should all stand up and be counted.

Protecting our precious resources through recycling needs real engineering support, providing the ability to cope with change is just as important as the change in attitudes and I for one encourage a change in global attitude, applying the breaks in resource consumption before we are wasting our time in doing so would be a bonus.

I am sure Mr Cameron has his personal political view in the right place but I am not so sure if the real climate change issues and other key resource views are being addressed to a satisfactory solution.

However we dont have a crystal ball but we are suposed to be an inteligent species, not seeing much of that in some of these blogs, all just a bit keen blame someone else as usual.

Comment by Sam on November 30, 2009 at 1:48 pm

Mr C,

Some Conservatives are Conserve-atives . I was pushing for that 17 years ago in a school mock election! So well done, and step it up!

A Concern though – it’s all emissions. What about the other side , perhaps the ‘Demand side’ -the rainforests. Surely that is the even more important side to this most important of subjects , which the world’s leaders need to be addressing ,urgently . You would do well to make loud noises in this regard, rather than leaving HRH the P of W to do it.

Comment by colin clifford on November 30, 2009 at 7:56 pm

Unfortunately Mr Cameron will take the reports of the Ipcc on climate change The Ipcc was set up by the Government it does not have any scientists on board and controls the information that is given to them and alters it accordingly It was set up to prove there is global and there for alter and information given to them. Just one little fact they forgot to tell us about 96% of all the carbon in the world is produced by nature and 4% by us But lets reverse the information and scare everyone and then we can tax carbon. Please dopnt be fooled by the governments while you worry about global warming you wont see the MP’s fiddeling the books and giving themselves a pay rise for doing so . You wont worry about the state economy , you wont worry we will not get a referendum . Come on people we are been fooled all over again. We vote them in lets ask them to serve us and not their pockets

Comment by colin clifford on November 30, 2009 at 8:07 pm

When we talk about the rainforests, what right have we to tell other people how to manage their countries. When WE have destroyed all our forests, built on the flood plains, has flooded used nothing else but coal for over 100 years Pillaged every country we conquered ., and now that we are at the bottom of the barrel thanks to mismanagement
by every Government. You cannot just blame to Labour party it was Mrs Thatcher who sold the furniture ie Water, gas, Oil, Trains Telephone etc etc Need I say more

Comment by mary on November 30, 2009 at 9:25 pm

Seems like the whole thing is shot through completely now. They’ve just admitted to throwing away all the original data for “climate change”. Dear,dear,dear!

Comment by Jeff James on November 30, 2009 at 11:20 pm

Wilst i support the initiatives that are proposed by David and the Shadow Cabinet I feel the isue of growing world populaiton, using up raw materials and resources at an every increasing rate is a fundamental issue that no one, it seems to me, to want to tackle..

Comment by Walter on December 1, 2009 at 8:33 am

Dear David,

I recommend you read “The Real Global Warming Disaster” by Booker. When you have done that you can send me another email about “disastrous climate change”. The science is not settled, the 2500 top climate scientist turn out to be a small handful of people who will not reveal their data.

Comment by Brian G on December 1, 2009 at 10:21 am

Walter is absolutely right to recommend Christopher Booker’s carefully researched ‘The Real Global Warming Disaster’.

Then it would be a good idea to absorb ‘The Wind Farm Scam’ by Dr John Etherington.

Comment by John Myers on December 1, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Global Warming Is an outright lie! Any fool knows that the world has been in a warming, cooling cycle for millions of years long before man came on the scene. Even our so called scientists have been proved to be lieing to us all along just to give our political masters yet another reason to grab more cash from us. Come on Mr Cameron, get real, you can’t fool all the people all of the time! not now the truth is starting to come out, at last.

Comment by Paul Orchard on December 1, 2009 at 2:27 pm

Terry Wogan for Environment Minister!
Our main problem is not the gasses we produce, but the amount. Well, as I see it, what the bloody hell do we expect when our little island is crammed to the hilt, and approching 70 million in the coming years.
You want to reduce global warming gasses. Get everyone who shouldnt be here out of here. Simples. VOTE UKIP ON MAY 6TH

Comment by Michael Paskauskas on December 1, 2009 at 2:45 pm

I had intended to vote Conservative in the next election[not from enthusiasm,more to oppose Labour] but find it increasingly difficult to entertain the notion largely because of statements such as Mr Cameron’s above.About 2 years ago I began using the net to look into the various apocalypic claims made about climatechange coming to the conclusion that climate has always changed,humans may have some effect but very little and those pushing the agenda have motives which could be financial,power oriented or related to green utopian fantasies of an Eden that never was.For the leader of the party to parrot the AGW line could show that he sees an electoral advantage in doing so[a mistake]or that he can’t be bothered actually looking into the issue in any depth.Basing policy on debatable[at best]or fraudulant ‘science’ does not inspire confidence.John Redwood seems a sensible chap.

Comment by Linda Henry on December 1, 2009 at 3:39 pm

The global climate has been subject to fluctuation in temperature for many centuries, just look at the information on the web and remember we have undergone an Ice Age and also extreme temperatures when dinosaurs ruled etc etc.

What we are experiencing now is a natural phenomenon and nature will ultimately have her way. There are ways to protect ourselves at this time in history but there is nothing anyone can do you cannot tame nature this is a natural progression.

Some scientists think the climate is warming others think it is cooling.

Comment by rod fawell on December 1, 2009 at 4:23 pm

i would much prefer more energy devoted to what you intend to do about a referendem on europe and the illegal imigration problem, then i may consider voting tory

Comment by Kenneth Fontana on December 1, 2009 at 5:05 pm

I am really surprised at the enthusiasm with which David Cameron and other leaders of the Party have embraced the subject of climate change. I am not suggesting that it is all a myth but I have yet to be convinced that mankind is causing it. Many years ago I read that the entire world’s population could be contained on the Isle of Wight. Do we really think that this tiny presence is heating the world? Even if we add all the factories in the world to this area they are in total so small that they could not even be seen from the moon!
As a boy I remember an elderly man telling me that when he was young he was told that the unusual weather we were getting was due to the “new fangled” telegraph poles interfering with the free flow of air. !!!!
I suspect that people are jumping on the Al Gore bandwagon as they see this as a “Heaven Sent” opportunity to raise taxes and make ordinary peoples’ lives a misery.
A few years ago we were worried about the ozone layer and about that time we were told, helped by the left leaning media, that we had to save water by sharing baths, putting bricks in toilet cisterns and washing in dirty water and so on. Of course the politicians and the “Great and Good” would not be doing this but I must not be tedious must I ? What about the ozone layer and the shortage of water now? I seem to think that there are floods about, how can this be as we are so short of water please tell me someone. Maybe we should increase egg production in order to smear it on the faces of the idiots in government.
Remember, you cannot fool all the people all the time. Russian communism reigned supreme with no opposition allowed for over sixty five years but ordinary people still tore it down at the first opportunity.
Europe is another matter. Unless the Conservatives set out a realistic policy on Europe, I will not be supporting them. We are being run by a ramshackle organization that has not had its accounts signed off by the auditors for fourteen years. What kind of an outfit is that? What kind of an outfit trundles all its documents and office material between Brussels and Frankfurt every three months to satisfy some juvenile argument? No talk of co2 pollution here but there I go being tedious again.
Have a look at Daniel Hannan’s proposals in the weekend Daily Telegraph if you want to set the EEC on the right course. Personally I would like to see Daniel at the top of a UK Conservative Government.
Stop talking nonsense and put together realistic policies that are acceptable to the populace. If you want to know what these are, ask the people and do not do this by stage managing television visits attended by stage managed people.

The research on global warming is not conclusive and there are over four hundred well respected scientists who already doubt the conclusions of this research. Water based ice caps at the poles, even if they do melt, will not raise ocean levels because they are already floating.
At the moment it appears that our leaders are behaving like excited schoolboys playing with a new toy. Fortunately, the Americans, Chinese and some other developing country leaders are taking a more balanced view and looking at the whole issue more objectively.
I am afraid my words and indeed the words of other Conservative supporters will be lost as pearls cast before swine.
I will end with the words of the famous madrigal.
“More Geese than Swans now live, more fools than wise.”

Comment by Philip Gribble on December 1, 2009 at 7:59 pm

I cannot believe that serious political parties can be dragged along by a bunch of lefties to destroy the capitalist system. And they are doing a good job of it. Climate change has happened for many millions of years. They come and go long before industrialization happened. Does it not occur to supposedly intelligent people that they have other agendas. Some say that when the Berlin Wall fell all of the CND and Communist fellow travellers had no where to go. They had failed. So what happened? Along came some idiot scientists who were trying to increase there budgets and that was it. They all jumped on board and mugs like our Political Classes went along with it. For goodness sake grow up.

Comment by Dave,Edinburgh on December 1, 2009 at 8:40 pm

RIP Great Britain, at midnight last night the UK ceased to be a sovereign state.

After you with the lubricant, Copenhagen is our next defeat. and it is REALY going to hurt.

Comment by Gordon Southcott on December 1, 2009 at 10:19 pm

Please follow Australia and postpone any decision. Following revelations regarding UEA, now Queens Uni, Belfast and State Uni of New York have been implicated. This subject is too important to ignore

Comment by David Wray on December 1, 2009 at 11:44 pm

Dear Mr. Cameron,
My thoughts are that even if there is some dubiousness in the science related to ‘global warming’ it is extremely wise for the human race to be doing everything possible to be as clean as possible to reduce pollution and waste to a very, very, minimum and to consider that it is important NOT to do anything that can be avoided that might conceivably bring the end of the human race any closer. That end will come unless populations are limited; unless the exhaustion of finite resources is avoided; unless Science is promoted for not only the good of the planet (e.g. the fuel cell for clean energy) but for the wealth-production of this Nation.
In order to achieve reduced global pollution international aid will need to be distributed but it must no be done in such a way so that tyrants in recipient countries cannot pocket it – Mr. G Brown contributed to that, the ass – and the benefactor or their representative(s) can actually witness the successful application of the funds.
That brings me again to the subject of the EU. GET OUT OF THE EU !!
The EU and its confederates tend to wish to instil so-called democracy in certain countries when on the subject of gift-aid.
The EU does not have democracy proper so how hypocritical of that entity to even suggest that other countries adopt what the EU might call democracy.
Further, if you need any further evidence of why the UK should leave the EU, read and inwardly digest the reports of the comments of the new French Commissioner who will do his best to ruin our financial centres – he is well-known to want to do just that. I understand those comments amount to, “The UK won’t have the authority to oppose his edicts”. If that doesn’t open your eyes that the UK shouldn’t be a member of the EU. I cannot think what will !!
Your refusal of a referendum (the public does not believe you when you say that the UK cannot now, post Lisbon Treaty, have a referendum – why not ? What does ‘cannot’ in this context mean ? Who is going to stop you having one ? If you think the EU will stop you then that’s yet another reason to get out of the EU) is a weak, ill-conceived and is insulting to our Nation.
You might have made the biggest gaff of your career with your refusal. RE-THINK IT THROUGH.

Comment by David Wray on December 1, 2009 at 11:47 pm

Sorry, I mis-typed a few words; they should read:
“In order to achieve reduced global pollution international aid will need to be distributed but it must not be done in such a way so that tyrants in recipient countries can pocket it – Mr. G Brown contributed to that, the ass – and the benefactor or their representative(s) must be able to actually witness the successful application of the funds.”
Apologies

Comment by Brian G on December 2, 2009 at 9:18 am

An Inconvenient Truth

It is clear from this, and many other blogs and forums, that the general public has not been taken in by the AGW deceit. As others point out here – there is no scientific consensus on AGW – far from it.

Now that the ‘influential’ UEA’s Climate Research Unit is discredited, and the IPCC along with it. Shock waves across the USA because of the revelations may pull the rug from under the misguided Copenhagen junket.

Warmist emperors have no clothes. In the public interest, it would be refreshing for David Cameron to acknowledge it.

Comment by Katherine on December 2, 2009 at 11:16 am

Well said!

Comment by Alan Haywood on December 2, 2009 at 11:34 am

In the name of God, will you people responsible for monitoring this blog, PLEASE ensure that Mr Cameron is aware of public feeling, as espoused here. It really is at his own peril if he disregards mainstream opinion. MP’s cannot go on ignoring the general public. I think it is clear that we have suffered enough under Nu Labour, and need a Conservative leader with conservative ideals.
Stuff the EU, Stuff global warming..it’s a sham.
…and that’s just the start.

Comment by Richard Burton on December 2, 2009 at 1:42 pm

There are a number of dubious arguments being made on these pages, based on voodoo science.

Here’s an example – Photographs in Al Gore’s Inconvenient Trust show polar bears on an iceberg. The picture was taken in summer therefore Artic Sea ice loss is a fake. Consider: The Richard Dawkin’s atheist poster was recently criticised in the press as the 2 smiling children featured were Christians. Using the polar bear arguement above, this proves aethists don’t really exist. Artic sea ice declines in summer and grows in winter. The Telegraph’s Christopher booker says that the winter growth means the ice is not retreating! It is well known it grows in winter and declines in suummer. The point is that the summer decline is getting greater and greater. For those who believe this is a conspiracy (no doubt Nasa doctors the satellite images), refer to today’s Independent, where ranulph Fiennes, the World’s foremost polar explorer records his observations – he now uses a canoe where before he used dogs (the dogs don’t paddle). Perhaps he’s telling the truth, or has he been recruited by the conspiracy!
Then onto the next argument – ok the ice is thinning, but its not due to man. Analysis of the CO2 in the atmosphere shows that the increase in CO2 is due to an increasing prevalence of carboniferous period CO2, basically its from coal etc. Isotope analysis, (like carbon dating) demonstrates this. The next argument therefore becomes, ok, but does CO2 cause temperatures to rise. The ‘greenhouse effect’ was first proposed in the 19th centrury after experiements in that showed air in vessels increases in temperature when CO2 increases. The next argument is then, ok but what about natural processes- surely mankind’s effect cannot account for much. That’s where comparing the CO2 released by man to natural processes comes in. Man’s contribution is relatively small but its an additional input – its like a tap filling a bath at the same rate as it drains from the plug. An additional input upsets the equilibrium no matter how small.

I’d welcome any feedback to these points. I’m happy to have a rational discussion about the science. However, if you believe I’m part of a world wide left-wing conspiracy to increase taxation and form a world government, I’ll be wasting my time and will instead go and join the UN troops who are amassing on the Canadian border ready to overthrow the USA. I won’t fly of course (2 tonnes of CO2) but might take the Northwest Passsage as this os now navigable due to ice loss – something to do with global warming I think.

Comment by Richard Burton on December 2, 2009 at 1:57 pm

Putting aside the science, many people are making comments such as “OH MY GOD MR CAMERON PLEASE READ THIS AS WE’VE JUST UNCOVERED THE CONSPIRACY.” They then state he is making a fool of himself. It might therefore be useful to add a fact – Mr Cameron stands shoulder to shoulder with just about every government on this. This is because they have listened to the Scientific consensus. Exceptions are the King of Saudi Arabia (a nice one for you conspiracy theorists to get your teeth into) and Nick Griffin.

I read an interesting comment from, I think Nigel Lawson. Apparently global temperature has fallen since 1998. Actually it hasn’t. 1998 was an El Nino year, the ocean currents off Peru affect global climate and reverse many weather patterns. This is a natural cycle associated with peaking temperatures. 1998 was therefore a spike in the general upward trend of global temperature. the general trend is upward.
Then there’s the Medieval Warm Period arugument – it was hotter then without industrialisation, therefore it can’t be manmade now. The warm period was however confined to Europe. Global temperature records whether from tree rings, pollen analysis, ice cores etc show more stable temperatures.

Take a look at what the International Energy Agency are stating about world fossil fuel reserves. That, along with energy security, are 2 other good reasons to reduce our dependence upon fossil fuels. The Labour government has messed up UK’s energy generation capacity – new nuclear and renewable sources are needed fast.

Comment by Michael Paskauskas on December 2, 2009 at 3:04 pm

Science should never be about consensus;that is the realm of politics.At any rate,much of the ‘science’ would appear to be incompetent,manipulated or even fraudulant.

Comment by PeteFergie on December 2, 2009 at 3:10 pm

Nigel Lawson 2008:-

The truth is that there has so far been no recorded global warming at all this century.

The world’s temperature rose about half a degree centigrade during the last quarter of the 20th century; but even the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research – part of Britain’s Met Office and a citadel of the current global warming orthodoxy – has now conceded that recorded temperature figures for the first seven years of the 21st century reveal there has been a standstill.

The centre now officially expects global warming to resume at some point between 2009 and 2014.

Maybe it will. But the fact that the present lull was not predicted by any of the complex computer models upon which the global warming orthodoxy relies is clear evidence that the science of what determines the world’s temperature is distinctly uncertain and far from “settled”.

Genuine climate scientists admit that Earth’s climate is determined by hugely complex systems, and reliable prediction is impossible.

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My own view is… the answer lies in the soil, fertilized of course!

Hello UKIP

Comment by Richard Burton on December 2, 2009 at 4:49 pm

MISISNG UEA DATA IS HERE!

The data ‘missing’ from the UEA’s figures has now been added to a graph by Nigel Lawson’s Global Warming Policy Foundation, reports The Times – http://timesonline.typepad.com/science/2009/12/climate-sceptics-get-it-wrong-1.html

Read The Times article and make your own minds up.

Comment by PeteFergie on December 3, 2009 at 1:07 pm

A survey of UK voters for Politics Home shows that David Cameron’s approval rating fell from +36 on 18 September to +21 on 27 November. On Conservative Home, Tim Montgomerie notes that the fall in Cameron’s rating coincided with his announcement that a Conservative government would not hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

You have blown it Cameron!

We need David Davis.

Comment by Michael Paskauskas on December 3, 2009 at 4:14 pm

Just curious;is the Conservative hierarchy intending to comment upon Climategate?Probably a silly question.

Comment by John on December 3, 2009 at 5:26 pm

Thanks for the view expressed by Tim Yeo that “The dying gasps of the deniers will be put to bed”.
Just like to reply to that insult by confirming that thanks to such arrogance, I will no longer be voting for the Conservative Party.
How dare you insult your supporters in this way.
When a large majority of people take the trouble to tell you what they feel is important, only a fool responds in the way that Tim Yeo has.
Long may you regret it.

Comment by Andrew Sadleir on December 3, 2009 at 6:11 pm

It is wholly irresponsible to talk about the “real danger” of climate change, when there is no justification for assuming that the science is established with even the least degree of certainty. Climate change, in the correct sense of the term, is of course a reality we cannot avoid; regardless of how harmful or beneficial it might be. Anthropogenic global warming, however, which is what Mr. Cameron expects us to understand from this lazy linguistic usage, is not by any means a proven reality, dangerous or otherwise.
Policy must be based on a clear understanding of the underlying science, with a realistic level of certainty attaching to the conclusions. Such is yet far from the case. Climate science – no matter how sophisticated – is still far from being as clear or as quantitatively precise as the proponents of AGW would have us believe. Yet what should be an objective scientific debate has been reduced to a highly-polarised political bunfight, in which anything like objective science is drowned out in an infantile battle between the “overwhelming consensus/settled science” faction on the one hand and the conspiracy theorists on the other, reliant – on both sides – upon junk science and woolly thinking. Moreover, this issue is frequently conflated with the broader so-called green agenda, an illogical and unnecessary confusion.
Given the unimaginable economic, social and political costs entailed, in this hysterical quest for wholly unrealistic CO2 emissions reduction targets, we urgently need a serious and cool-headed properly-scientific assessment of just what we know (rather than believe) about global climate, and what degree of certainty we can realistically ascribe to that knowledge. Such an assessment is not to be had from an overtly-political source such as the IPCC.
If we have no better information upon which to base policy, then we might as well just toss a coin – or stage a fist-fight between the rival gangs of Consensus and Denial.

Comment by Swiss Bob on December 3, 2009 at 7:33 pm

Immigration, the EU and Climategate.

Are you really trying to lose the election?

Comment by Brian G on December 4, 2009 at 9:43 am

Thought for the day

Some climate data sets for recent years show the temperature trend is rising – others clearly show it falling. There is even disagreement about which have been the warmest years on record. And this is called “settled science”!

There is controversy over past events, for which there are actual recorded scientific records, rather than projected assumptions.

Small wonder ‘experts’ have so much difficulty understanding and speculating on natural climate cycles 50 or 100 years into the future. Not the basis for the most costly global ‘master plan’ in history.

Comment by Cathy on December 4, 2009 at 3:58 pm

I was just going tho say that David Camerons policies on Climate change & all women candidates are worrying me now. I have been going to vote Tory for so long but now we’re getting I close I’m not so sure. But I see so many of you have beaten me to it. David you need to think again, we need change not more of the same.

Comment by Richard Burton on December 4, 2009 at 4:02 pm

A good 2 minute summary of variations in Earh’s climate, CO2 levels and temperatures that will answer many questions posed on these pages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2009/copenhagen/8386319.stm

Comment by Richard Burton on December 4, 2009 at 4:27 pm

Brian G comments on disagreement on recent temperatures. Global temperatures were high in 1998 due to the El Nino phenomenon, then fell for several years and have risen in 2009, continuing the long term upward trend.

There is not disagreement among scientists about this. It is clear. Nigel Lawson’s ‘think tank’ say global temperature is falling. They conveniently select only the years that support their argument. This is simply bad science. Scientific technique is based around establishing a theory, then looking at the data to try and disprove it – a null hypothesis. If you cannot disprove your theory it is sound. Nigel Lawon’s curve deliberately hides the truth. If you include 2009 its wrong. If you include earlier years its wrong. Taken in context its a bluff, and not even a very sophisicated one at that. What we have is a general upward trend in temperature that levelled out for 4 years or so, then recommenced. By selecting just the 4 years, they’ve hidden the trend. Basically its like announcing a football result based on just the 15 minutes either side of half time.

There’s a good analogy of how the global carbon cycle works in this months National Geographic.

Earth’s climate isn’t like an oven, there are numerous variables – you don’t get smooth temperature curves. Sun spot activity, orbital cycles, El nino’s effect, man-made influences, and various positive and negative feedbacks. This is why you don’t get a dead straight curve, and this isn’t expected by any credible scientist. A lack of absolute certainity in what will happen simply shows that a scientist understands the complexity of the system. It does not reveal bad science.

Comment by Arnold Whittle on December 4, 2009 at 5:47 pm

Dear David, This climate debate by the worlds top brass, has to look at the major users of fossel fuels and all other natural resources that this small planet has to provide the human race and curb the constant draw on these soon to be exhausted resources. This planet cannot go on with this abuse and survive for much longer climate changes are becoming very much an issue, we have experianced many flood incidents in the UK over the last ten years we must curb the carbon burn by the worlds nations

Comment by Brian G on December 4, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Thanks to Richard Burton for demonstrating how the BBC is failing to provide balanced reporting on climate change.

Google ‘The Skeptic’s Handbook’ for short and thought provoking coverage of this enormously important subject.

There is much to admire about the BBC but it is not fulfilling its public service role when its Environment Correspondent, Richard Black, produces such a disappointingly one-sided and questionable piece.

Comment by John A. McKay on December 5, 2009 at 1:11 am

In denial springs to mind

Comment by Margita on December 5, 2009 at 5:20 am

“Some are unhappy that the Copenhagen conference on climate change is going forward. I think that it is entirely appropriate in light of the revelations coming out of CRU/IPCC. After all, Copenhagen was where Danish author Hans Christian Andersen published The Emperor’s New Clothes in 1837. ”
from
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/global_warmings_new_clothes_1.html

Comment by Giles Nixon on December 5, 2009 at 5:40 am

December 5, 2009
Dear Mr Cameron
Regarding the current debate on climate change. I understand that the forthcoming Copenhagen proposals aim to control on an international scale the CO2 content of the air we breath, and that you and others in the party believe that in this way you can control the apparent growth of prosperity and so to green-house gas control.
It is accepted that the CO2 content of air is 380 parts per million (ppm) which is 0.038 % in percentage terms. This is not controversial.
The legislation, if adopted, will work on the anthological portion of this, which is reckoned to be 190 ppm, by limiting energy use etc. 190 ppm when quoted in percentage terms is 0.019 percent of the total gas content of air. (NASA figures)
Work on only 0.019 % of the total ? What a preposterous assumption. Where is the proven science that ensures these forced reductions on such small quantities will be effective ?
How can any legislation work on such miniscule amounts. I have yet to see an explanation. It will bring about rising costs, increases in taxation and reduction on our standards of living – yet you are a supporter of this. Please note my support and financial contribution to the Conservative Party is withdrawn until I see some common sense displayed.
Giles Nixon

Comment by Brian G on December 5, 2009 at 2:18 pm

Meteorologist Art Horn’s Energy Tribune 3 December article ‘The End of Global Warming’ should be placed on the desk of David Cameron for urgent reading.

It starts

“The story of manmade global warming is over. In reality it never existed except in the minds and hearts of grant-seeking scientists and academics, ratings-obsessed television networks and their misinformed viewers and opportunistic eco-activists.”

It really is time for honest scientific debate conducted by those without a conflict of interest. No IPCC involvement please.

We expect no better from Gordon Brown who attacks ‘flat-earth’ climate change sceptics – and asserts that there are ‘dangerous, deceitful’ attempts to derail Copenhagen summit (he knows about derailing things).

Well that puts most of us in our place.

Comment by Walter on December 5, 2009 at 3:23 pm

Would David pleae read the article at http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/monckton/monckton_what_hockey_stick.pdf. He willenjoy it as I hope other readers of this blog will

Comment by Brian G on December 5, 2009 at 11:33 pm

Thanks Walter – what a revealingly sickening exposure.

The Wall Street Journal’s 30 November article ‘The Economics of Climate Change – The stakes are too high to treat Climategate as just another academic spat’ … adds to this despicable saga.

It begins:

“The emails and documents leaked last week from some of the world’s leading climatologists offer a rich trove of evidence that scientists were massaging the data and corrupting the scientific process to support their own preconceptions. But they also offer the beginnings of an explanation for why. In the words of another famous leaker, follow the money.

On its Web site, the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit describes how it could barely make ends meet for most of the years since it was founded in 1972, and how most researchers weren’t even guaranteed salaries in the early years. “Since 1994, the situation has improved,” CRU writes. Why 1994? That was the year the U.N.’s climate change convention came into force. Since then, it has been boom times for those lucky enough to have gotten in on the ground floor of a growth industry powered by grants from governments eager to understand just how quickly we were overheating the planet.”

And a 2 December report by Canada Free Press entitled ‘Scandals in Scandinavia: Time to Cancel IPCC and Withdraw Nobel Prizes From Them and Gore’ is calling for the IPCC to be terminated.

It opens:

“Al Gore is the only Nobel Prize winner, whose work was ruled politically biased and containing nine major scientific errors by a court (UK) a week before it was awarded. The Nobel Committee should have known. They could argue they’d already made their decision. Problem is there was considerable evidence about the errors easily available long before. Clearly they didn’t do their homework, so their decision was purely political. The Prize should be revoked.”

Comment by John Peek on December 7, 2009 at 6:46 pm

Have you read all these posts, Mr Cameron, as they will represent the tip of a major iceberg. Back to the drawing board, I hope.

Comment by Dr Lawrence Haar on December 8, 2009 at 10:00 am

Echoing the views of my fellow Conservatives, there would be appear to be strategic merit in DC distancing himself and the Party from the Green Socialism we call Environmentalism. Two-thirds of the UK population believes, right or wrong, that either there is no global warming and/or if there is measurable trend, it anthropogenic.
As an econometrician and former academic, I observe the following:
1.The “climate” is not subject to precise definition and its mean state or steady-state trajectory cannot be measured with precsion.
2. The equations of motion of the climate are unknown. The full range of variability is not understood and the future “climate” cannot be predicted.
3. The models used to predict the future climate perform hopelessly under back-testing, i.e. they cannot track historical data. (Compared to the models used in banks to track risk as approved by the FSA, their performance is dreadful; and we know how inadequate the banks were in predicting market and credit risk.)
3. By adding to the stock of CO2 humans have an affect on the climate which may involve warming, cooling, or some combination of the two at the Earth’s surface, but it is unpredictable.
4. The present state of the climate reflects mainly natural causes and infra-red absorption plays a minor role.
5. Such changes may be impossible to detect in any location.
In sum, the assertion of Global Warming is based upon poor data and weak statistical inference. Our hopefully future Prime Minister would be wise to distance himself from Labour and Lib-Dems in this regard.

Comment by Brian G on December 8, 2009 at 11:59 am

It would seem that David Davis is in tune with the majority of British voters and those posting on the Blue Blog. Perhaps there is a message in this worth considering.

“David Davis: Why this ferocious desire to impose hair-shirt policies?”
The Independent Wednesday, 2 December 2009

Comment by John Leyden on December 9, 2009 at 8:22 pm

Mr. Cameron – Still “leading” the Conservative Party, you useless, cowardly traitor? I see that your teenage spin doctors have recently tried to tout your drastically shrunken lead over NuLab as a triumph. It won’t wash.
Neither will this piece of bulls**t. We know the warmists are LYING, just as we know you are LYING over the Lisbon treaty. Most of us are off to vote UKIP.
See ya…

Comment by Pamela Monks on December 10, 2009 at 2:09 am

I’ve been truly amazed at some of the comments that I’ve read on here this week. “The world is cooling”, “AGW is a hoax”, “We know they’re lying”. How do you know? Have you studied the data yourself? Indeed, just how many of you would be capable of understanding the data if you had studied it? In fact, I wonder just how many of the people pontificating on here have studied any science since they left school. Very few, I suspect. Upon what then is your knowledge based? Ignorance and preconceived prejudices. Perhaps you believe what you’ve read in the press. Or do you just believe what you want to believe, regardless of the evidence?
Politics, like religion, is dogmatic. You take a stance and look for arguments to support that stance. Any that don’t support it must be wrong, so you ignore them. Science, on the other hand, is empirical. You gather data then find a way to explain that data. If the data don’t fit your initial ideas then they were wrong, not the data. There is no place for dogmatism in science.
The reason most scientists support AGW is because that is what the evidence suggests, not because of some vast conspiracy. Some scientists disagree with AGW. That’s fine, they just interpret the data differently. They may even be right, but on the evidence we currently possess they’re probably not. We have, therefore, to accept a majority verdict on this matter, but keep an open mind for the future.
We are facing a very serious problem here. The root cause is that we only have one finite planet with limited resources, and we are seriously overstretching those resources due to overpopulation and our wasteful lifestyle. We can ignore the problem and hope it will go away of its own accord, or we can address it before we face truly catastrophic consequences. The choice is ours to make. So tell me, which choice do you think your grandchildren will thank you for?

Comment by Brian G on December 10, 2009 at 7:18 pm

Pamela Monks is right to mention “one finite planet with limited resources, and we are seriously overstretching those resources due to overpopulation and our wasteful lifestyle”. Earth cannot support the present population’s food and water needs adequately. As population grows exponentially, matters will get worse until famine, conflict, and disease fill the vacuum left by our leaders. Overpopulation is not yet on decision makers’ radar.

Where do people obtain information? Mostly from sources believed to be honest and reliable. That has been damaged by the University of East Anglia’s CRU revelations. To name but one fact, Jones airbrushed away the Medieval Warming Period which had temperatures several degrees above today’s … an inconvenient truth that doesn’t suit his Unit or the IPCC’s agenda. It is not difficult for someone with an open mind to find confirmation and to understand the fallacy of alleged “settled science”.

It is reported by experts that CO2 concentrations (currently at about 0.04%) have been 20 times higher in the past without the global catastrophe warmist scaremongers now assert.

The Wind Farm Scam is a symptom of the climate change bonanza. If you doubt this, read Dr John Etherington’s book. Read the forthright views of Prof Ian Fells, Prof Dieter Helm, and Prof James Lovelock. Der Spiegel’s report “CLIMATE CHANGE PARADOX – Wind Turbines in Europe Do Nothing for Emissions-Reduction Goals” blows the whistle.

Read this blog and follow the given links. Shooting the messenger because the message is not cared for is not unusual. But as Schopenhauer put it “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” It’s time we moved swiftly to stage three.

No disrespect intended Pamela, but your barbed “Ignorance and preconceived prejudices” may apply to you rather than to the sceptics spitefully accused of being deniers. Open discussion and healthy debate is an essential part of the democratic process. If there is no respect for honest misgivings about political courses of action that involve historically unprecedented amounts of money based on what is perceived by many as flawed and dishonest data … where does that leave us?

Comment by Bernie O’Connor on December 10, 2009 at 7:37 pm

If as you say Pamela,

“Science, on the other hand, is empirical. You gather data then find a way to explain that data. If the data don’t fit your initial ideas then they were wrong, not the data. There is no place for dogmatism in science.”

what has Jones, Briffa, Mann et al been upto in the last ten years ?

Comment by Joe Blogg on December 15, 2009 at 12:23 am

Seems to me that unless we voice a belief in global warming then our comments in here are unwelcome and wrong.

But where is this proof? It is not the Sceptics that doctoring the facts but the Believers themselves who are twisting their own words to suit their own ends…how I wish they’d give it a rest and spare us the rest of us the cost of humouring their Golbal warming mantra.

Comment by Ian Sandiford on December 16, 2009 at 8:10 am

Hi, I have just watched the opposition leader discuss his policy on climate change.

Mr Cameron is 100% right to follow his advice on improving energy efficiency in homes. The cost to the nation of improving renewable energy in homes via loan initiative would be significantly less that installing wind and wave farms costing billions then relying on the existing electrical infrastructure to transfer this power to homes.

If every house in the country had solar PV panels linked to air source heat pumps they would not need a connection to gas or electric.

We would not need to ship our gas from half way round the world; we would see an end to coal fired power stations and a massive reduction in nuclear order book.

For £6,000 I would be able to install a storage boiler that is linked to an air source heat pump producing 3kw energy for every 1kw input (from solar). Solar panels would then power the pump and provide surplus energy to boost the heat of the storage tank.

Therefore the house would be self sufficient.

The installation cost would reduce with supply and demand as the 24 million household’s nationwide take on this initiative over the next 10 years.

The Conservative policy is well considered and a sensible alternative to farfetched, expensive and inefficient Labour policies relating to remote renewable energy.

Comment by Joe Blogg on December 18, 2009 at 9:05 am

Why??? Why should I be taxed to the hilt in so called green taxation then endure the misery of paying twice as much for Petrol, Gas, Electricty and coal in an effort to reduce my already frugal energy use still further to meet impossible targets when at the same time the Chinese and other nations Idea of a cut is to use even more fossil fuels to build a bigger invincible industrial nation for themselves.

They will out compete us soon and we will have paid for them to do so…its Madness!!!!!

Comment by Harry Scott on December 21, 2009 at 10:22 am

With the failure of the Copenhagen climate change summit brought about, it has been reported by the intransigence of India and China, why don’t the Conservatives adopt a policy for the developed western countries (US, EU and Japan) to levy a small import duty on all goods from China and India and then use this sum to help them install carbon reduction technologies? The slightly higher cost of imports would reduce demand for their goods unless they reduced their prices so in practice there would be a sharing of the cost between the Western consumer and the Asian nations.

Comment by Michael Bristow on December 27, 2009 at 9:59 pm

As the comments on this blog are showing climate change is no longer a foregone conclusion. Party policy must be adapted in accordance with the increasing amount of evidence indicating that the IPCC and other agencies have hyped this up for their own ends. An incoming (hopefully) Conservative government will have a wonderful opportunity to save this country huge amounts of money by extricating us from commitments which the unelected Brown has tried to sign us up to. The savings can then be spent on the “real” problems which face us . This doesn’t mean we should carry on polluting, we should try to live as sustainably as possible, but the carbon offset schemes and other wealth transferring mechanisms will make the EU agricultural ploicy look like spare change unless bold common sense action is taken early on. Public opinion will change on climate change when the sceptical case and the cost of what was mooted at Copenhagen gets more widely known and understood. The Conservativers must be ahead of the game on this one.

Comment by Joan Hall on December 31, 2009 at 2:21 pm

Surely, surely you don’t still believe in climate change or global warming or whatever the idiots are calling it this week?? Do you really think that we are big enough to influence the whole world’s climate?? If you do, then I do not believe you are the right person to run this once brilliant country which has been systematically ruined by Blair and his mob of gangsters. Please, please give us a little hope that you are different to that lot, not just a puppet doing what his masters (the EU? the USA?) tell him. Show some gumption man (like Maggie Thatcher did). Show you at least can see what has happened to our country and that you mourn the loss of what we once had just as we out here do. I’ve got no problem with you being ‘a toff’ or ‘rich’ or whatever, but perhaps that is what stops you seeing what the rest of us can see. This country is a pale, pathetic shadow of its former self and we need somebody strong to get it back to somewhere decent to live again. And if you don’t know how to even start doing that then we are lost. Forget climate change, get us out of Europe, stop immigration, get the police working, bring back grammar schools, end political correctness and health and safety madness – in short show some conservatism (if you even know what that is).

Comment by Charles on January 17, 2010 at 8:34 pm

I am getting fed up with every Polician getting on this mad made Global Warming scam. Mr Cameron why do you all ignore the inconvinient emails demonstrating the rigging of data.
I have written to my MP on this issue and he seems to be conned like you and the rest of the conservatives with this scam. The hypocracy when Prince Charles lectures us on cutting Carbon emissions yet flys off to Copenhagen on a Private jet.
The “Eco Facists” I have noticed all seem to be well off and will not be the one’s that get hurt by this outragous Carbon Tax imposed by an international unaccountable bureacracy.
You see Mr Cameron it’s easy for the likes of Mr Zac (A List what minority does he belong to) Goldmsith you can well afford the increase in food and energy prices as a result of this Eco garbage.

Comment by Sue on January 27, 2010 at 9:44 pm

Can you explain to me why, in our dire economic straights , you have promised to ring fence overseas aid should you be elected as our next governement ? Is this a vote winner ? Surely putting our own piggy bank in order is the first priority not putting our money into the Swiss bank accounts of a few megalomaniac tyrants or supporting the aid professions.

Comment by somaie on February 2, 2010 at 4:31 am

. Experts have talked about this before. How many times have you read about the importance of ‘adding value’ for your audience? How many times have you read about ‘building trust’ with your readers/prospects?
Many, many times. You know it well. Every marketing guru has spoken about this topic. I’m sick of hearing it. But it STILL bears repeating.

Comment by college essay on March 10, 2010 at 9:38 am

as far as i know, the world is experiencing a great climatic change. better act now than be sorry in the end

Comment by A.Diamantis on October 22, 2010 at 10:58 pm

Dear mr. Cameron,

Recently the Royal Society has admitted that the earth has been cooling down. For the last ten years there has been no global warming at all. Ice caps are growing. Britain is heading for a severe winter, may-be even colder than last winter. The hoax of anthorpogenic global warming (AGW) is the biggest fraud of our time. Please look at the United States, where Obama is proposing legislation that will increase energy prices dramatically. All Republican candidates for the U.S. Senate are global warming sceptics now. In a few years we will enter a new Little Ice Age, so many REAL scientists are predicting, like the Dutch professor Cees de Jager who expects the new Little Ice Age to start in 2013. You must realize that Man made Global Warming is a hoax and a lie, typical for Labour and other polical idiots. Stay away from talking nonsense about Global Warming, the earth is cooling down and nobody in his right mind is willing to pay more taxes – so called because of Global Warming – while experiencing at the same time cold record after cold record, as a result of global cooling.